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Valve Adjustment - April 20, 2017, 09:23 PM

Tackling the valve adjustment this weekend. Seems laborious, but hey it's something new to learn.

Anyone on here have a 25mm shim kit I could borrow? I'll pay for each shim if I need to use them. It'll be a pain to measure all the shims then go to the shop, then back home, etc. Lots of back and forth.

I needed to buy a $60 tool that allows me not to remove the cams. But the latter may be the better option...ugh


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What a PITA. Took me 12 hours total. The valve adjustment itself wasn't too bad just required a precise eye and hand. Putting the valve cover and gasket back in took me 3 hours...such a confined space. I was raging but thankfully got the job done.

Exhaust valves were in spec but all the intake valves were nearly shut - .02mm gauge wouldn't fit. Explained the hard cold starts. Now it happily cranks up.


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April 25, 2017, 01:35 PM

Nicely done!!

Wait, what happened to your piston rings????


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April 25, 2017, 02:17 PM

All good it happens. I just burned up #4....its part of the game.


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April 25, 2017, 04:36 PM

Makes me glad I took my bike to Brooks. F that.

Do you know if your valves were in spec @ 12k?
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April 25, 2017, 05:00 PM

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Nicely done!!

Wait, what happened to your piston rings????
Thanks.

And it's a reference to F&F @ 1:00


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All good it happens. I just burned up #4....its part of the game.
Ouch. Will you be re-machining the head?



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Makes me glad I took my bike to Brooks. F that.

Do you know if your valves were in spec @ 12k?
I bought it with 14K and no service records. I'll assume no considering how far out of spec they were.

You have a street triple right? Your valvetrain is shim under bucket so they are less prone to going out of spec. However, you have to pull the cams to replace one if needed. It's more work but expedites shim swapping.


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Yes, a couple of Triples. I swapped to Daytona cams at the same time I had the valves checked on my 08. I'll probably do the same on my 2010 if it makes it to 12k.

My FZ6 called for 24k miles between valve checks and most people find the valves to be in spec. One guy went all the way to 77k without checking them. At that time only 2 exhaust valves were out of spec. What a great bike that was.
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Yes, a couple of Triples. I swapped to Daytona cams at the same time I had the valves checked on my 08. I'll probably do the same on my 2010 if it makes it to 12k.
Must be fast. Hopefully not faster than mine!

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My FZ6 called for 24k miles between valve checks and most people find the valves to be in spec. One guy went all the way to 77k without checking them. At that time only 2 exhaust valves were out of spec. What a great bike that was.
That's awesome. I know the FZ1s have a service interval of 25K and they rarely go out of spec as well. It's certainly a deciding factor when you lay down some miles.


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You don't know fun til doing the valves on a V-4. I'm in the middle of checking the valves on my street one. I did the race bike last summer during the complete rebuild. One thing this bike has going for it vs a VFR is the ability to use a special tool to hold the cam sprockets in place and unbolt the shafts if they need to be removed. The race bike only had a few valves out of spec.

I won't be surprised if I find a bunch out of spec on the street bike. It's always been hard starting and not as smooth. Hopefully I can get it done without removing the throttle bodies too.


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You don't know fun til doing the valves on a V-4. I'm in the middle of checking the valves on my street one. I did the race bike last summer during the complete rebuild. One thing this bike has going for it vs a VFR is the ability to use a special tool to hold the cam sprockets in place and unbolt the shafts if they need to be removed. The race bike only had a few valves out of spec.

I won't be surprised if I find a bunch out of spec on the street bike. It's always been hard starting and not as smooth. Hopefully I can get it done without removing the throttle bodies too.
No kidding. Ive read the RSV4's clearances go out of spec often as well.


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One thing this bike has going for it vs a VFR is the ability to use a special tool to hold the cam sprockets in place and unbolt the shafts if they need to be removed. The race bike only had a few valves out of spec.
While we are at it, by any chance did you ever adjusted VFR valves or found them out of spec at some particular mileage?

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I figure the motor was bound to go sooner or later. It is the original motor back in the bike ... about 40ish K...and a bad 2nd gear to boot. WOT in 6th I realized I couldn't pull to the rev limiter ... and it was getting noisy so she puked 4th...it was bound to happen and the motor was removed from the bike for a reason. Compression tests showed 2 and 3 weren't exactly stout.

So I'm left with 2 motors.

The motor from the crash had 20ish K....I'm presuming the top end and trans is still good. We know from trying to restart it post crash that it has horrible knock so bottom end is toast.

This 40k motor has a bad 2nd...and I know top end is trashed....

So if the starts allign....I can use the 40k rods/crank with the 20k head/cyl and trans....who knows.

636 motors ain't cheap the sprint/dwarf car guys use em and keeps the prices high. My line in the sand is $1000 for a good one.

Not looking to do upgrades to the motor till the season ends...time & money...

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My first time trying to do a valve adjustment by myself took 8 hours on a Ninja 250...didn't help that my tools were rusted from the salt flats and I had to hold the sockets in place because the ratcheting mechanism was messed up....with oily fingers....PITA.


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April 26, 2017, 09:46 PM

Wow those motors are expensive. I'm seeing close to $1900 for some!

That's a predicament you're in. With those prices I'd keep an eye out for crashed bikes as well. Mixing the block and head could work, it'll just require time.


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I have too many motors and motor parts everywhere it gets clusterfuckish so if I can rebuild it'll help with the clutter.


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