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May 29, 2003, 02:43 PM

It's getting to be that time... time to change the plugs on the bike. I know with cars there is a big deal made out of plugs and wires. Personally, I've used the Bosch Platnium +4 in my car and, if nothing else, noticed a big difference in smoothness as well as fuel economy. I don't really hear anything like that in the motorcycle world. Are there different plugs, better plugs (or wires)? What's been your experiance with them?


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May 29, 2003, 05:12 PM

I installed rather expensive iridium plugs (can't remember which make, probably NGK) in my Hayabusa (the prior ones were platinum) and I didn't notice any difference. I had 13,000 or so miles on the platinum and they were in perfect shape. I've put 2,000 miles on the new plugs.

Despite the "better spark", the iridium plugs apparently aren't any better than the cheaper platinum ones.


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May 29, 2003, 05:17 PM

Get regular plugs. The performance difference if any is nill and if you save a gaool of fuel after 8 months it still isn't worth paying 10 times as much for the plugs. If you want better fuel economy don't twist the gas as hard...but then why have a sport bike?


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I've now been waiting over 2 weeks for Fast Lane to get my Ignition Switch Relay!
Try a month and a half for sprockets for my RC. Called today and told them if they haven't SHIPPED yet that I'd like to cancel the orderand get a refund or credit or something...anything!! Damn! 6+ weeks and no sign of them. I like Rick and have a lot of respect for his knowledge and riding ability but he's got to get better people working for him. If I hadn't found some sprockets at Kneedraggers I'd still be waiting to put the RC on the track for the first time.

Champion has had about 80% of my business in the past and has always taken care of me. They don't BS me about the shipment and/or arrival of parts I've ordered. They get the order right and get it to me in a timely manner. I like to spread my money around the local shops to support them because they each have something to offer and I thought I was helping Rick get his new 636 soon but I think Champion will get 100% of my business from now on.


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May 29, 2003, 07:31 PM

So did they give you my message, Dan? I was at Fast Lanes with a friend who was picking up his bike when you called on Friday to check on your sprockets. I told them to tell you that you are a jackass (as if you didn't know) ! They even had your name and number under the plastic on the counter. Such the VIP! Or wait, maybe that was on the bathroom wall, I forget.
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They even had your name and number under the plastic on the counter. Such the VIP! Or wait, maybe that was on the bathroom wall, I forget.
Either way, I ain't getin' any action from there! :nono:


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May 30, 2003, 12:11 AM

My 2C worth...

Unless you are running a 200hp shot of nitrous, 15+lbs of boost or such a high compression ratio that the bike needs 150 octane fuel to run without detonating then the following applies; if the above applies, come see me after class - you are my sort of junkie and I can hook you up with an appropriate ignition system!

1. STOCK IS GOOD

Most sportbike ignition systems are excellent, quality pieces - equal or better than the majority of aftermarket parts peddled by muscle car vendors.

2. SPARK PLUG WIRES

This is slowly becoming a moot point as most new sportbikes use stick coils directly over each plug (just like Formula 1 cars!). If you still have HT leads ("High Tension" wires from coils to plugs), they are high quality resistor wires designed to reduce Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) that would otherwise upset the electronics on our tightly packaged bikes. Most aftermarket "performance" HT leads are of the non-resistor type in order to deliver more voltage at the plug and can cause real problems with ignition and fuel injection computers etc. The resistance of the stock wires is part of the design of the ignition system and its removal can also cause coil failures. Most important thing is condition - old, cracked and filthy wires will fail under load. Make sure they are clean and supple, the connections to the plug boots and coils are tight. Use a little dielectric grease at connections to keep moisture out.

3. PLUGS

This will be contentious - so I'll brace myself for the barage of replies. DIFFERENT SPARK PLUGS DO NOT CHANGE POWER provided each is of the correct application and heat range for the engine and in good condition. All the "fancy" plugs out there have features that allow them to maintain their performance for a longer period and, to a lesser extent, work over a broader heat range. The improvements you feel when you fit your new multi-electrode, fine wire, iridium tipped super plugs would have been just as good with a nice fresh set of stock plugs. HOWEVER, if changing the plugs in your bike is a PITA (pain in the...... - ever tried doing a quick plug change in a ZX-12R? ), the expensive plugs can be a godsend. Platinum and Iridium resist corosive erosion and can be left in much longer. Not sure about Iridium but Platinum also reaches its critical self cleaning temperature more rapidly preventing fowling. On the downside, at high loads platinum plugs can promote preignition due to the platinum tip getting hot enough to provide an ignition source - NEVER USE PLATINUM PLUGS IN A REALLY HIGHLY TUNED APPLICATION (turbo, supercharger, nitrous etc.). Multi-electrode plugs acheive the same benefit in a different way - the wear is shared between multiple earth electrodes - simple! Too many earth electrodes can cause masking of the spark in our hi compression combustion chambers (reducing the flow of the fuel air mixture around the spark gap and delaying ignition) so you will generaly see a maximum of two earth electrodes on bike specific plugs.

Recommendation: If you can easily change you plugs fairly frequently (every 3000 to 6000 miles) use standard dual electrode types such as NGK "K" type (e.g. CR9EK ) and save some cash. If you just want to leave 'em in and forget them, use the equivalent Platinum or Iridium plug.


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May 30, 2003, 05:27 AM

Yeah, that's just what I was going to say! :o


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May 30, 2003, 06:58 AM

so, woody:
Changing spark plugs generally does not affect the Ignition Switch Relay.... what did you do?!

speednuts:
who was supposed to be ordering yer stuff??


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May 30, 2003, 07:28 AM

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If you want better fuel economy don't twist the gas as hard...but then why have a sport bike?
No, I'm not worried about fuel economy... just know its something that the manufacturers sometimes claim their plugs will improve.

It was just something I was wondering. My dad has sworn by platinum plugs since I first started helping him work on the family vehicles, so it's a trained action at this point. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thanks for all of the info!


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May 30, 2003, 08:04 AM

Rant mode, ON!

Tfinch - your bfriend ordered it for me. What really irks me is that he told me at one point that he checked and said it was shipped out several days before I actually went to the shop and sat in there and chatted with them for an hour while I waited for the UPS truck to arrive that afternoon because it may have been on that truck. I was told they were expecting it each day. This was three weeks ago! My time is too valuable to waste sitting around waiting for something which as it turned out had never been shipped to start with! That's not cool! I was okay waiting for the UPS guy because I've done that before and my stuff had come in on the truck I was waiting for. I'd rather wait an hour than drive home and have to come back through late afternoon traffic.

The other part of this is that I bought the 520 chain and counter-shaft sprocket from Fast Lanes on the 16th, the same day I ordered the rear sprockets. THAT'S APRIL 16th! Now why would I want to wait a month and a half (and counting) when I already had two of the three pieces needed to do the 520 conversion?

This in itself is not that big of a deal now that I went out on my own and bought the very sprockets I have been waiting for. I'll just use the one's from Fast Lanes as spares as they wear out quickly. When you consider that I routinely order parts for one of the bikes though, it adds up and I don't want this type of frustration every time I order parts. I have stuff on order right now at Champion of similar origin and I know that it will be in next week when I get back from VIR if it's not already in today. I know this because this is what has happened in the past every time I've ordered from them.

Like I said earlier, I like Rick. He's a nice guy who has a tremendous knowledege of sport/race bikes and will share whatever he knows. He will go out of his way to accomodate his customers but I'm not so sure about the others behind the counter at this point.

That's my take on it.

Okay...rant mode, OFF!

Hope you have a nice day! :wiggle:



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Grrrrrr!

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May 30, 2003, 08:33 AM

speednuts:

I know how you feel about not getting stuff you ordered. I've waited many a time for stuff I've ordered, whether it has to do with bikes or not.
I can also understand feeling like you've wasted your time hanging out in a place you normally wouldn't for an hour (I do that sometimes, too), waiting.

Keep in mind, though:
Things are going on behind the scenes of that shop. Though you might be having a rough time with Fast Lane right now, don't write them off for good.
If you order things from Paul directly (not from Paul through someone else, or having Paul check on things that other people ordered), things should get ordered. Also keep in mind that sometimes the person making the excuses is not necessarily making excuses for themselves.
So I am not trying to tell you that you are mad at nothing. You have every right to be frustrated and "up to here" with Fast Lane right now, but give them another chance in the future.


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Lee, I'm not gonna tell them you think they are retards! I think that, too, sometimes ! :o

And yeah, I'm probably gonna tell Paul that people are unhappy with his shop right now and that they are pissed off enough to post it online, the good (?) news is that Rick already knows about the problem. that's it for my big mouth and my two cents.

So i hope you guys have a good day, too! dammit!! :mad2:


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Well I got my first sprocket on Friday. The second one is still nowhere to be seen. Apparently Sprocket Specialists never got the order for the second sprocket which should've been ordered the same time as the first. Could've been an error on either end, who knows? At least I got one of them and Woody, Rick is overnighting your relay free of charge to make you happy. Something about you canceling and then not wanting it cancelled. I don't know but at least Rick is trying to make it right.
I also picked up a counter-shaft sprocket for the R6 so if you do end up riding the R6 on Friday you can thank Fast Lanes for having one in stock for a 520 chain.

I don't think the guys behind the counter are retards just very unorganized and it shows.

I do think Woody is a retard though!


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