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Intersection / Red Light Tip! - May 22, 2007, 08:36 AM

First tip is read "proficient motorcycling"

info here: http://www.amazon.com/Proficient-Mot.../dp/1889540536

One of the tips I recall is to keep the bike in gear when stopped at a light and watch the approaching cars to make sure they see that you are stopped.

This is something I have made into a habit since day one and it paid off yesterday.

I was stopped at a light and a FedEx truck was approaching, I watched and noticed he was approaching rather quickly. As he got closer and closer he wasn't slowing down So I basically had to launch the bike and stop in the middle of the intersection.

I was stopped at the line...his truck finally stopped 1/2 way across the line

Because I watched and anticipated him not stopping I avoided an incident rather easily but had I not been paying attention...who knows what would have happened.

Just a tip to remember and for those of you who don't have mirrors...you may want to consider adding something to allow yourself to monitor what the cages are doing behind you.

BTW...remember to slow down in intersections and cover the brake and be ready to react...I won't bother to go into the 3 cars that pulled out in front of me yesterday as well, bad enough that I had to do a quick lane change to avoid taking flight. Not a big deal because I anticipated their movement...be alert and you'll be fine. Normally, I do not have so many close calls so I'm hoping it was just a Monday thing. (knocking on wood...the ride in today was very nice)


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Thanks for the tips and the reminder not to trust anyone on the road.
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May 22, 2007, 09:06 AM

Yes they really are trying to kill you. Thats has saved my bacon more than once. The best thing I have found for surviveal is to practice scanning skills. They help every where but, intersections mostly.


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May 22, 2007, 09:52 AM

Its funny, I recently got my boaters license, and in the class (8 hours with exam) the instructor was noting how on the water there are no lanes and boaters must anticipate other boaters actions, and act proactively. He said "motorcyclists are the most defensive drivers out there, boaters are second"

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Where do you position your bike in the lane to see directly behind you? Without leaning my body I have a hard time seeing directly what's behind me.
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Where do you position your bike in the lane to see directly behind you? Without leaning my body I have a hard time seeing directly what's behind me.
Depends on your bike honestly, my supermoto has the mirrors on the bars so I just move the bar. Do what you need to keep the drivers behind you in check (while stopped) while you're moving the focus should be what is happening in front of you.

Another tip is to look around at intersections for people running red lights! If the lane is clear...double check that lane for someone moving through it.


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Where do you position your bike in the lane to see directly behind you? Without leaning my body I have a hard time seeing directly what's behind me.
I generally don't sit in the middle of a lane, I'm usually in the cage tire paths - so if you're on the left side - you check the right mirror and vice versa. Be aware that the center of a lane often has a lot of oil from sitting cars though, could cause you to lose your footing.

I've made a habit of making a quick decision at every stop light where my escape route will be. For awhile, you feel like you're being paranoid - but eventually its just second nature. I have straight up dodged a car who ran a red light and kept right on driving - to this day I don't think he ever saw me, or the light. Just totally oblivious.

And for all you stoplight drag racers - it could be your undoing - before you launch at the very moment the light changes, its a much better idea to survey the cars approaching the intersection and judge whether they actually intend to stop. In this area - I've noticed running "pink" lights is rampant - especially in heavy traffic situations.


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May 22, 2007, 11:10 AM

Great tip Chris!!!! I have to do this all the time in DC!!! This is the main reason I will allways have mirrors. Also if there are cars infront of you aim your bike to shoot inbetween them so they get rear ended and not you! this has saved me many times!


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May 22, 2007, 11:15 AM

Thanks for the reminder Chris... Cages are out to kill all motorcycles.. I swear.. They think they get extra points for hitting us..... like it's a video game or something.
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May 22, 2007, 09:27 PM

I have actually been hit sitting at a light where the lady said she was blinded by the sun so she kept going. I just sat and watched her keep coming and coming and bam! I had a huge van in front of me and no where to go because I didn't stay far enough behind and to the side, lesson learned.

I also try to put my bike at a slight angle now at a light to make my profile bigger and if I get there by myself I turn my head to look behind me when a car is approaching to try and make my body movement a signal to them that someone is there.

We all like to be out in front of the cages but when approaching a light now I try to be in the mix of a car so that as I slow I can tell that they see me and they are slowing also...
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May 23, 2007, 11:16 PM

I line up with one side of a cars tail lights so that the cars behind can see the center light on the car in front of me. We're all trained to look for it, its not smart to cover it up.

other thing i do while watching people come up to me while stopped is flash my brake light just like i normally do before braking in traffic anyways.


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I had a new one yesterday. I was sitting at a light 3 cars back, and the cage in front of me decided to back up so she could get out to make a right turn. I'm sitting there honking and waving with nowhere to go because I'm on a down-hill incline and certainly can't back up. She missed my front tire by about 6"......idiot.

I don't even know what to do about this one...I stopped 15 feet behind her and was positioned behind her left brake light so she should have been able to see me in two mirrors. I even had my please-don't-hit-me-I'm-new reflective vest on. Thoughts?

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While avoiding a position that blocks the middle brake light seems like a good idea, I'm in the habit of stopping at an angle that points me beyond the bumper of the cage in front of me into free space should a cager running up from beyond not stop in time. If I get bumped, at least it sends me into open space and not into the cage in front. As I'm stopping, I alternate my view in front and in my mirrors. Once I'm stopped, I mostly watch the mirrors until several cars behind me are stopped. Then, if I know I'll be sitting there for a while, like is the case for about 99% of all signals in Montgomery County, MD, then I pop it into neutral and check to see if I packed a lunch. Kidding about the lunch, of course.

This looks like a good thread to reiterate the tip of moving through intersections with a cage moving with you on your right, if you can. The reasoning is that the cage will be hit from the right if some idiot runs the red. You will hopefully see said idiot if he/she comes from the left because there is more distance to you from where said idiot should have stopped. Finally, the moving cage escort serves as a visual marker for anyone who might otherwise look through you and attempt a sudden left turn in front of you from the other direction, say on a green yield turn. This is a habit for me, and I add to it that I'm usually trying to move slightly faster than the cage beside me to facilitate avoiding trouble if that cage decides on a quick lane change once through the intersection.

Don't know if it has been posted here before, and I'm too lazy to look now. Here is some dude's list of tips that are actually pretty good:

http://www.msgroup.org/DISCUSS.asp

Found it a while ago at dccycles.com.
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^ yeah definitely... i use cars as walls of minor protection through any intersection


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