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August 11, 2003, 10:46 AM

I'm guilty of falling for this. But you learn something new every day. All it's useful for is getting debris off your tire.

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld...eb00/weave.htm

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August 11, 2003, 10:53 AM

Yep! I've been parking my bike in the sun ever since I read that article. I've been debating whether to park it so that the side I use more is in the sun or the side I use less. Depends on the track, I guess, but I usually try to park so that the side I use less gets heated up by the sun, figuring the side I use more will come up to temperature quickly anyway. Not that at my speeds it matters much. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy (which I am) when I moved my bike to keep the tires in the sun.
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August 11, 2003, 10:58 AM

Yep

I always thought it was just for getting gravel and sand off the tires or something...
they tell you this ALOT at Cornerspeed...that it doesn't warm the tires up
another thing i didn't think about that they emphasized alot was to REPLACE your gloves every year...
they will fall to pieces in a slide if you have worn them for longer then that.... making them pointless to wear at all..
rain and sun really wears the leather out.


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August 11, 2003, 11:02 AM

i've heard this alot but you still see people weaving all the time.


MissS:no now!!!

bambam nope you said i have a few hours

MissS: I changed my mind

bambam: see MissS: well, you have a few hours

MissS: I'm a female, allowed to do it
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August 11, 2003, 11:02 AM

Mod, I still have that issue of Roadracing World. I remember the article well. I agree and would never weave to warm my bike's buns. However, weaving has other benefits the article fails to mention. It scuffs off the paddock gravel before you toss your bike into a corner. It can expose any post-crash steering problems. Often, riders do it to get reconnected with the bike's weight and steering characteristics before you're thrashing at a race pace. Still, it's an exercise best reserved for hot or cold pit lanes, not for the roadcourse.


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August 11, 2003, 11:07 AM

Good info! Thanks for posting!

What they didn't explain is what method heats the tire. It is not friction with the road, it is tire deflection. As the tire carcass flexes, the friction within the tire itself creates heat. The more you flex the tire, the more heat generated.

I think Kent Kenitsugo (Sport Rider mag?) wrote an article on this a year ago, that a fast way to warm up cold tires is hard acceleration and braking.

A test I would have like to see is hard acceleration and braking in a straight line. I wonder whether tire deflection under cornering generates more heat than tire deflection in a straight line (in the plane of the tire).

hmmmm :dunno:

EDIT: John, good tidbits! Especially the acclimation (sp?) remark.

[Edited on 11/8/2003 by hayabusafiend]


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August 11, 2003, 11:11 AM

Jesus, are you guys starving for info or what. I just posted this.

I learned something, so I'm happy.

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August 11, 2003, 11:23 AM

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Jesus, are you guys starving for info or what. I just posted this.
I learned something, so I'm happy.
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Were you looking for a different reaction? Did we forget to thank you profusely enough? Why so sensitive? I always thought this part of the board was for expanding on riding tips. If you didn't get the laudatory remarks you sought, you should just ask plainly for a pat on the rump. Boy, I really wonder about you moderators sometimes.


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MissS:no now!!!

bambam nope you said i have a few hours

MissS: I changed my mind

bambam: see MissS: well, you have a few hours

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August 11, 2003, 11:27 AM

I'm not gonna pat anyone one the but except pitgirl. You're gonna have to do that one. sorry


MissS:no now!!!

bambam nope you said i have a few hours

MissS: I changed my mind

bambam: see MissS: well, you have a few hours

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August 11, 2003, 11:29 AM

Damn JP!
I agree w/ Mod...I do it to clean off my tires after tuning around in the gravel on 211...


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August 11, 2003, 11:38 AM

I do it because every time I get off the bike, I forget how to ride it! It's part of an informal 'systems test' for getting back on the bike. I do it on the street more than the track. I agree with Mod too, for rubbing the crud off the tires. How's that shoulder, Steve?


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August 11, 2003, 11:45 AM

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I do it because every time I get off the bike, I forget how to ride it! It's part of an informal 'systems test' for getting back on the bike. I do it on the street more than the track. I agree with Mod too, for rubbing the crud off the tires.
Agreed, and I also do this to 'test out' my damper setting after I change it or just before
heading into a 'known' set of twisties. I also 'recommend' this, on a straight road w/very little traffic, to newer riders to help them geta a feel for the cg of their bike and how fast it will 'turn-in'.... I also do this when I switch bikes, from the R6 to the Z1000, as they have very different weights and cg's.....

ps, this is also a 'good' way to get tail-gater's off yer azz!
"They see you do this and fig. yer gonna crash and will back off, almost every time!


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August 11, 2003, 11:55 AM

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I do it because every time I get off the bike, I forget how to ride it! How's that shoulder, Steve?
Amen brother! I've got lots of weaving to do!
I'm gonna find out how my shoulder is doing this afternoon. Met a few stunters in St. Louis today and they don't believe and old fart can wheelie. One of them is letting me borrow his helmet and a Gixxer 1K so it shouldn't be too bad!
Starting to lift weights in therapy so I'm pretty sure it's not torn since I'm getting better. But I haven't ridden in 4 weeks so I'm really looking forward to this afternoon!
edit...crappy keyboard...

[Edited on 8/11/2003 by SteveZX9]


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August 11, 2003, 12:13 PM

Reminds me of my fav t-shirt, for old fart like us...
Pic of a stunter on one wheel and it says,
"Who needs drugs to get it up?"

My fav bumper sticker is still this one...
"The other day I got a gun for my wife.
It's the best trade I ever made!"


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