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2008 192hp ZX-10R Review + Motorcycling Licensing Discussion - December 12, 2007, 08:14 AM

Nice review on MD:

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/11dec...saki_zx10r.htm

192hp is insane...

Seems to be a capable weapon for the UL classes...aside from that...well good luck finding a road to enjoy that type of power.


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Very nice read!!! Yea this is pretty much what I was told a couple months ago that this bike is the !!! Gonna get bikes over 200 hp to be the norm soon! I wonder when our beloved GOV'T is gonna step in and restrict these bikes?


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Here's another review:

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Very nice read!!! Yea this is pretty much what I was told a couple months ago that this bike is the !!! Gonna get bikes over 200 hp to be the norm soon! I wonder when our beloved GOV'T is gonna step in and restrict these bikes?
I hate to say it but I hope we eventually move to the same licensing system Europe has. Sure a lot of people will complain and bitch about it but with technology moving so fast yet rider skill static...we need to change our ways.

What do I mean? Take a new rider...their riding ability on a scale of 1 being novice to 10 - expert is a "1" or "static" because without experience...everyone starts out at a 1.
Many years ago a 600cc bike VS 1000cc was a big power difference. These days, the newer 600's are faster than some of the older liter bikes. So what you now have is a new rider starting on far more powerful bikes with the same ability. The minority start out on smaller bikes with the interest in improving their riding skills. The majority, is concerned about reputation/status and often start out of liter bikes. It's something more for discussion than anything but does anyone else agree? I mean c'mon...do people really think they gain anything by buying a liter bike...and never even coming close to the potential of the bike's true performance capability? However, starting out on something smaller and working your way up would benefit anyone looking to upgrade to a larger bike since they won't learn the hard/deadly way about what happens when your bike exceeds ability.

I think if we changed a bit sportbikes would be viewed differently and perhaps would be come more accepted than they are. Just a thought...


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this country needs tiered licensing and has for many years.


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this country needs tiered licensing and has for many years.
I think it would be difficult at first but in the long run would pay off.


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I hate to say it but I hope we eventually move to the same licensing system Europe has. Sure a lot of people will complain and bitch about it but with technology moving so fast yet rider skill static...we need to change our ways.

What do I mean? Take a new rider...their riding ability on a scale of 1 being novice to 10 - expert is a "1" or "static" because without experience...everyone starts out at a 1.
Many years ago a 600cc bike VS 1000cc was a big power difference. These days, the newer 600's are faster than some of the older liter bikes. So what you now have is a new rider starting on far more powerful bikes with the same ability. The minority start out on smaller bikes with the interest in improving their riding skills. The majority, is concerned about reputation/status and often start out of liter bikes. It's something more for discussion than anything but does anyone else agree? I mean c'mon...do people really think they gain anything by buying a liter bike...and never even coming close to the potential of the bike's true performance capability? However, starting out on something smaller and working your way up would benefit anyone looking to upgrade to a larger bike since they won't learn the hard/deadly way about what happens when your bike exceeds ability.

I think if we changed a bit sportbikes would be viewed differently and perhaps would be come more accepted than they are. Just a thought...
Woot, im in the minority!

That said, i compeletly agree. I'm sometimes amazed at how some of the younger people (18-23ish) get on these 600cc bikes and dont have dire consequences... I know at 18-21, i sure as hell didn't have the restraint that i do now. I'd be all for a tiered licensing system. But how do you measure experince? Years w/an M-class, miles, etc?

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I started riding in Sweden, which had a two tier system at that point (loooonnggg time ago): At 16, you were allowed to ride 125cc's only, and at 18, you could ride any bike you wanted without any additional tests (Sweden has hp restrictions on the bikes much like France). They may well have more steps/tiers now.

This is a good idea in and of itself. However, I also think that if we are thinking of traffic safety, there should then also be a tiered license system for cars (start with a corolla, and graduate to a camry and then go on to an NSX or Ferarri).

My biggest pet peeve (spelling?), however, is the cellphone wielding caravan drivers. So, how about setting up a tiered system for using electronics? First, you may only use a regular radio, then a one-CD system, then multiple CD system, and finally a DVD system and a cellphone with text and email capabilities.


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That said, i compeletly agree. I'm sometimes amazed at how some of the younger people (18-23ish) get on these 600cc bikes and dont have dire consequences... I know at 18-21, i sure as hell didn't have the restraint that i do now. I'd be all for a tiered licensing system. But how do you measure experince? Years w/an M-class, miles, etc?

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If anyone sees/hears any details on when the new 250 is slated to come out please post! Dealership near me said december, but i keep reading conflicting reports.
Thanks...as far as the licensing...I think if the US studied what europe has done it would be a good start.

Nice to see people giving this consideration. For the people who do start or ride liter bikes and respect them....that's great and the end goal of the program...to educate, improve, and respect motorcycles and motorcycle riding.

Some of the MSF instructors on the site would be good people to hear from on this.


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My biggest pet peeve (spelling?), however, is the cellphone wielding caravan drivers. So, how about setting up a tiered system for using electronics? First, you may only use a regular radio, then a one-CD system, then multiple CD system, and finally a DVD system and a cellphone with text and email capabilities.
I cannot even begin to tell you how much I agree with this. IMO cellphones should be hands-free or you get a ticket. Texting should warrant a fine...a big fine!


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I cannot even begin to tell you how much I agree with this. IMO cellphones should be hands-free or you get a ticket. Texting should warrant a fine...a big fine!
Cell phones are illegal in DC, but i see people using them constantly.


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