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PCIII VS FASTCARD GEN III Dyno sheet on 07 R1 - April 23, 2007, 01:34 PM

Here are the dyno sheet's of the head to head test. We did a stock run and that will be the first dyno sheet.The first set of graphs will be the PCIII.... Also part of the test we tested 2nd gear to 5th gear. The next set are of the FASTCARD Gen III tested 2nd gear to 5th gear. And the last one's is of the over lay graph.



Stock 07 R1 With A&R Race Baffle, 4th Gear run





PCIII 2nd Gear



PCIII 3rd Gear




PCIII 4th Gear



PCIII 5th Gear






FASTCARD GEN III 2nd Gear




FASTCARD GEN III 3rd Gear




FASTCARD GEN III 4th Gear




Head to Head with FASTCARD GEN III winning






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BTW.... My post about the FASTCARD GEN III was started on the R1-forum.

Here's the start of this post.


http://r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196252


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That's pretty sweet. I was able to get my '05 R1 to pull 172.8 on a dyno with a PSB III and full ti Arata.


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That's pretty sweet. I was able to get my '05 R1 to pull 172.8 on a dyno with a PSB III and full ti Arata.
Difference is that he's on a 5 gas dyno instead of a dynojet, it reads more accurate... he'd probably be around 180 on the same dyno... though you really can't tell unless they're on the same dyno...

However, the PC3 map looks like it's running fat based on the AFR


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Difference is that he's on a 5 gas dyno instead of a dynojet, it reads more accurate... he'd probably be around 180 on the same dyno... though you really can't tell unless they're on the same dyno...

However, the PC3 map looks like it's running fat based on the AFR


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Look at the 4th gear dyno map.... With the PCIII was it 12.80 AFR{which is leaner} (hp 165.5), and the FASTCARD was at 12.79 {richer} (hp 171.2). The FASTCARD made more power. You can't always tune to 13.1, for best power. For the PCIII 12.80AFR was the best power for it on the Bike, and for the FASTCARD 12.79 AFR on the bike was the best power for it.... I'll post a write up I Found on AFR. Allot guy's are miss informed about AFR on Motorcycle's.

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AFR write up. - April 23, 2007, 03:42 PM

Yaomatt,


Here's the write up.


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http://www.factorypro.com/tech_dyno/dyno_tuning_4gasEGAvso2sensor.html



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Look at the 4th gear dyno map.... With the PCIII was it 12.80 AFR{which is leaner} (hp 165.5), and the FASTCARD was at 12.79 {richer} (hp 171.2). The FASTCARD made more power. You can't always tune to 13.1, for best power. For the PCIII 12.80AFR was the best power for it on the Bike, and for the FASTCARD 12.79 AFR on the bike was the best power for it.... I'll post a write up I Found on AFR. Allot guy's are miss informed about AFR on Motorcycle's.

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bump! just got this on my 10r. and these are the kind of numbers im pullin now


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I really don't think a stock r1 w/a fast card will do 180hp to the wheels.

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Hmm....Maybe I shouldgetthe fast card!


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Whoa whoa whoa ..... these are not real world numbers. If you look at the bottom of every sheet you will see a correction in STANDARD (STD).

If you want REAL world dyno numbers the correction needs to be SIMULATED ACTUAL ENVIROMENT (SAE) with a factor of 5.

The basic difference is that in STD there is ZERO brake on the drum to simulate friction/bike weight on the road. Kinda like running your bike to max RPM in a vaccum. SAE puts around 25% on the drum and adjusts as the bike accelerates. There are several other differences including max drum spin but they all add up.

Another KEY difference is the dyno they used to do these runs. DYNOmite dynos don't even come close to a DYNOjet dyno. They were originally designed for stand alone engines and water craft. They modified their software to test cars and bikes but never wrote all new software for it.

The difference in the 2 tunes is the ridability after the tune. The fastcard tunes at the pulse which removes the ability to smooth out the 0% - 3% throttle where all the sportbikes have 0% fuel. Thats why you feel the bike jump as a little as you roll into the throttle. Tends to be an issue for racers since they want/need to be as smooth and seamless as possible on the throttle.

Dynojet CUSTOM tuning with the PCIII USB is still the best possible tune on the market since you get to tune EVERYTHING and it's bike specific meaning that every custom map is made for that bike with that filter with that exhaust with that PCIII USB. There are no downloaded set perameters like the fast card.

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Whoa whoa whoa ..... these are not real world numbers. If you look at the bottom of every sheet you will see a correction in STANDARD (STD).

If you want REAL world dyno numbers the correction needs to be SIMULATED ACTUAL ENVIROMENT (SAE) with a factor of 5.

The basic difference is that in STD there is ZERO brake on the drum to simulate friction/bike weight on the road. Kinda like running your bike to max RPM in a vaccum. SAE puts around 25% on the drum and adjusts as the bike accelerates. There are several other differences including max drum spin but they all add up.

Another KEY difference is the dyno they used to do these runs. DYNOmite dynos don't even come close to a DYNOjet dyno. They were originally designed for stand alone engines and water craft. They modified their software to test cars and bikes but never wrote all new software for it.

The difference in the 2 tunes is the ridability after the tune. The fastcard tunes at the pulse which removes the ability to smooth out the 0% - 3% throttle where all the sportbikes have 0% fuel. Thats why you feel the bike jump as a little as you roll into the throttle. Tends to be an issue for racers since they want/need to be as smooth and seamless as possible on the throttle.

Dynojet CUSTOM tuning with the PCIII USB is still the best possible tune on the market since you get to tune EVERYTHING and it's bike specific meaning that every custom map is made for that bike with that filter with that exhaust with that PCIII USB. There are no downloaded set perameters like the fast card.

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HA! I assumed it was SAE, i just looked at the bottom. u is riiight


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THE PC3 on a 07 R1 cannot be tuned for each gear. I might be wrong someone correct me.
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Johnny, that was a well thought out and articulate argument.



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Whoa whoa whoa ..... these are not real world numbers. If you look at the bottom of every sheet you will see a correction in STANDARD (STD).

If you want REAL world dyno numbers the correction needs to be SIMULATED ACTUAL ENVIROMENT (SAE) with a factor of 5.

The basic difference is that in STD there is ZERO brake on the drum to simulate friction/bike weight on the road. Kinda like running your bike to max RPM in a vaccum. SAE puts around 25% on the drum and adjusts as the bike accelerates. There are several other differences including max drum spin but they all add up.

Another KEY difference is the dyno they used to do these runs. DYNOmite dynos don't even come close to a DYNOjet dyno. They were originally designed for stand alone engines and water craft. They modified their software to test cars and bikes but never wrote all new software for it.

The difference in the 2 tunes is the ridability after the tune. The fastcard tunes at the pulse which removes the ability to smooth out the 0% - 3% throttle where all the sportbikes have 0% fuel. Thats why you feel the bike jump as a little as you roll into the throttle. Tends to be an issue for racers since they want/need to be as smooth and seamless as possible on the throttle.

Dynojet CUSTOM tuning with the PCIII USB is still the best possible tune on the market since you get to tune EVERYTHING and it's bike specific meaning that every custom map is made for that bike with that filter with that exhaust with that PCIII USB. There are no downloaded set perameters like the fast card.

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Wow, what a biased response...
Reserving this spot to post when I get home from work.


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Stan works for Cycle Connection or whatever the shop is called in MD. Fastcard
Johnny works for Fast lanes. PC3

I want to hear from someone who doesn't work at a shop and has actually tried both, beside Yao because he knows Stan.
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