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R6 or R1 - September 14, 2012, 06:56 AM

All,

It's been awhile since I was on here or since I owned a bike but I'm thinking about getting something this winter for next season.

I have not really kept up on what's new with Yamaha but really liked the 03 R6 I had. I'm looking to get something 2005 or newer this time around but have been considering the R1 instead of an R6. I was thinking a wider power band would be nice and have always liked the R1.

I was wondering what you all see as the pros/cons of an R1 vs. R6 (2005-2008 R1 or 2005-2012 R6). I'm getting this to ride 20 min to work and to get out for fun on the weekend. So about 150 miles a week. I'll be lucky to make 1-2 track days a year if that and will not be racing this time around. I know the R1 is probably overkill for those reasons but am still considering it.

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September 14, 2012, 07:07 AM

2005-2012 R6 covers 2 generations, 06+ was the redesign that brought more (peaky) power, better handling, and a taller seat. Tank guards/sliders are a wise purchase.

2005-2008 R1's cover 2 generations as well although they are slightly similar in looks. 2004-2006 used a 5 valve engine, 2007-2008 used a 4 valve. Early 2007 engines were plagued with valve guide issues.

I owned an 04 R1 (later modified with 2007 engine and 2009 suspension). It was a great bike and handling was great for the road riding I used it for.

I prefer liter bikes.


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[QUOTE=I prefer liter bikes.[/QUOTE]


Why do you prefer Liter bikes? No disagreement just curious. I'd like to know more about what I'd be getting with the larger engine beyond power.

Also, to clarify my previous post, I'd like this bike to handle well and be very responsive/stable. This will be, as I do small upgades and mods, the Ferrari I'll never be able to afford so whether it's the R6 or R1 I'd like to start with the best base bike which will get me the most of everything (Power, Performance, Acceleration, Handling, Control) I've also thought a lot about street speed and being able to just roll on the throttle with 1L bike as opposed to a down shift on an R6
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September 14, 2012, 07:18 AM

Power is the key difference with a liter bike but with power comes weight.

Comparing an R1 to an R6: the R1 will out power the R6, the R6 will out corner the R1.

You'll likely need to downshift either bike to get any decent acceleration out of it while cruising, I-4's don't have the immediate grunt that v-twins and v-4s have.

If you're just looking for a street bike then I'd get an R1.
If you're just looking for a track bike then I'd get an R6.

If you want to do both then the decision is up to you but expect to pay more to track an R1 considering it will eat up tires and brakes at a quicker rate.


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bought an 06 R1, loved the bike. Super reliable sold it with almost 40k two years ago. Id like to try the 09+ r1s the only concern is how heavy that bike has gotten. 04-06 were the lightest by far.


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September 14, 2012, 07:31 AM

Basically, whatever I get will be lucky to see 3 hours worth of track time a year or more than 200 miles in an afternoon. I don't ride like I'm one track if I'm on the street. So in the end this is all about that's capable moving comfortably in rush our traffic and handling well. With the complete knowledge that either one vastly outperforms what I "need" and that this is all about "want".

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September 14, 2012, 07:37 AM

I've actually owned both an 04 R6 and 07 R1 and put considerable miles on them (R1 cross country and 1500 Ironbutt on the R6)

You won't need to downshift the R6 for 'street speed'.

The R1 has more power and yes more weight. It corners on rails if set up well. The R6 is much more nimble. Better 'flicability'. Think speeding train as opposed to a slalom skier

For street riding, I find myself constantly looking for the 5-0 on the R1 since you're into triple digits before you know it. Makes cruising on the R1 a tedious affair at best. I miss the R6 for the pure riding experience it gave me every time you get on it; commute, day trip or back road railing.

Sometimes it's not about the potential a bike has but what you actually end up using it for and how deep you will tap that potential consistently.

Plenty of folks tracking the R6 here - let them chime in on the track aspects.


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bought an 06 R1, loved the bike. Super reliable sold it with almost 40k two years ago. Id like to try the 09+ r1s the only concern is how heavy that bike has gotten. 04-06 were the lightest by far.
Had an 09 (miss it), it's definitely not for commuting unless you like pitched over with its aggressive ergos (I'm old ) It prefers the twisties and is a BLAST! Flash that ECU and it's even better and that secksi sound of the X plane


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So in the end this is all about that's capable moving comfortably in rush our traffic and handling well.
Sounds like you need to shift your focus towards the FZ1, FZ8, FZ6.


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Sounds like you need to shift your focus towards the FZ1, FZ8, FZ6.
Agreed

there's a nice FZ8 for sale here.

Get it and be happy

http://www.dcsportbikes.net/forum/f2...%247300-76489/


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Sounds like you need to shift your focus towards the FZ1, FZ8, FZ6.
This.

I've been pleasantly surprised with each of these bikes, although my experience with each is limited to short spins. Plenty of power for street use but comfort for a commute.


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September 14, 2012, 10:01 AM

what they said. if you are not going to do track that often get something a little better for commuting and street riding, planty of options out there now, staying with yamaha they listed 3 of them.


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September 14, 2012, 11:06 AM

Had a 2006 R1
Took it to the track and decided to get an R6

Got a 2006 R6 - tracked the hell out of it, strapped some lights on it and rode it on the street instead of the R1

R1 had more power obviously but it wasn't necessarily usable power on the street -- just got up to speed to quickly.

Flicking R1 was a nightmare - they're stupid top heavy

now I'm riding the 1198 SP. Stupid power, stupid flickability and stupid fun


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September 14, 2012, 11:38 AM

FZ1 is a good choice for the street, including some spirited rides. The suspension will likely need some work to do much more than Beginner track day pace (at least on the first Gen 2001-2005 FZ1). I doubt the 2006 and newer ones would be much better in this regard.

I haven't ridden one, but I have heard from others that the peaky power of the R6 is not very good for the street. Can it do it? Sure, but that doesn't mean it is the best choice.


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September 14, 2012, 11:42 AM

Since we are talking dribbling through traffic the handle bar of a adventure bike is of the same height as the mirrors of car which is not the case for a sportbike .. also the bars the wider for adv ...


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