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**POLITICAL** The Continued Cold War
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**POLITICAL** The Continued Cold War - February 19, 2007, 11:49 AM

Proxy wars were the wars of the cold war between the major super power, the Soviet Union Red Army, and the United States of America. These wars are all the major conflicts of the past 40 years to include Afghanistan (and even more of the middle east including Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc.), Angola (and many if not most of the African conflicts to include the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda and Rwanda), Korea, Vietnam, East Germany's covert support for the Red Army Faction (RAF), and many more. Basically every major engagement has been a proxy war for the interests of Russia and/or America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_war

In any case I found this intensely interesting. I have written about the growing tensions toward America from the world community, because of our policy of intervening into the affairs of other soverien states while supporting our national and international interests. A split from the free ideals and slightly more isolationist, hands-off movements of our forefathers.

This is a growing trend in America, the idea that our super duper elected officials and Federal Government trump the rights of the individual, the state, and now... even other countries. There are a lot of threads coming up about smoking bans, gun registries, chip implants, license plate tracking, World IDs. An authoritarian commune. Who care's... as long as you don't do anything "wrong" you wont be in trouble. Wrong, of course, being the morality imposed by the authoritarian system, often totally outside of natural right (the rights of any free being to pursue happiness outside of the expense of others).

See the system implode on itself... http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070219/60957640.html

Prepare for another cold war.

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February 19, 2007, 01:23 PM

So let me get this straight. Putin is upset about missile defense systems in countries because that would mean that Russia couldn't attack them as easily? And he responds to this by threatening to move missles closer to those countries? How exactly is the U.S. intervening into the affairs of other sovereign states? These systems would be put in place with the agreement of those countries and subject to a list of demands of what they want in return.
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February 19, 2007, 01:30 PM

We got upset when China launched an anti-missle defense test a month ago, we threatened them actually "don't develop defensive technologies!!!!"... we've been doing the same since the mid-80's, Rddy, and actually have implemented these defensive technologies widely. Congress ordered a look into any of our missle defense technologies being sold to the Chinese actually... i was a big deal.

This is seen as tactical encroachment, they are responding like we did, actually.

We want to have this technology, but not let anyone else have it, then get propagate it along the borders of other countries... do you find this fair?


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Disclaimer - If you don't like to see the effects of changes and choice on your world, please feel free to refrain from entering, reading, or commenting on my posts. I have made it a point to begin to label them for our less-than-interested members. Because most people will not care about bad or negative policy, until that policy effects them.

Caring is one thing - believing you can make an impact is another giant step - actually doing something...well now...that is the proof in the pudding isn't it?

Idle discussion and biased opinions never solved anything...but started plenty.

As to people only caring about policy until it effects them....ask the same uncaring folks how the feel about..oh..saving the whales, child labor or pron rings - i doubt you will get an uncaring response.

Judge not lest you be... you know how that goes...but ironically the abilty for humans to care about things beyond their direct span of control is exactly what makes us...human. Go figure. A delicate balance of rationalization and instinctive behaviour versus the need to assert a greater or common good materialized in a verbal sparring match used to establish alpha behaviour in the (ironically) local yet globalized scene....

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ben, you read this months maxim. Theres an interesting article on Putin throwing big $$ back into the KGB and that he is behind some of the assanations. Last example was that guy in london who died of poisoning...


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Idle discussions have been the catalysts of revolutions. Know your history, that is the point of this post, know your history.

Also, something I think is interesting. By propagating alternate points of view, many people are effected, these effects are widely seen in the change-over of republican dominated government system in this past election. If what I say changes 10 votes, and their are 1,000 people like me, that's an effect... one I may never actually see... but then again, I labeled this thread **POLITICAL** so you don't need to concern yourself with my perceived ineffictuality.

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I think Bush wants to go after HUGO now that saddam is done.

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Idle discussions have been the catylists of revolutions. Know your history.
revolutions are hardly started by idle discussions (idle: of no real worth, importance, or significance)


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revolutions are hardly started by idle discussions (idle: of no real worth, importance, or significance)


know your language, its your mother tongue....





...and we are your history....


hah!
leave it to the Dutch to challenge MY mastery of linguistics... it's laughable but for the source

Idle > Not So Idle > Revolutionary > Change

Every revolution starts with a general, idle discontent. It's simply a phase in the process. Idle is a great word, a car idling is started but not yet moving. But it's started for a purpose.


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Also, something I think is interesting. By propegating alternate points of view, many people are effected, these effects are widely seen in the change-over of republican dominated government system in this past election. If what I say changes 10 votes, and thier are 1,000 people like me, that's an effect... one I may never actually see... but then again, I labeled this thread **POLITICAL** so you don't need to concern yourself with my percieved ineffectuality.
aha..so you admit you are blatently spreading biased opinions with the intent to convert. so much for an onjective discussion - hence it is an idle one...

just think what great things the nation could accomplish if all this political discussion energy was harnassed into volunteer reading programs, big brother/sister programs etc etc. Or wait..what if the $$$ spent on the war in Iraq was channeled to education, medical field...oh damn Ben...I slipped right into you trap...you got me.....too bad I can't vote or you;d have mine locked up..




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leave it to the Dutch to challenge MY mastery of linguistics... it's laughable but for the source

Idle > Not So Idle > Revolutionary > Change

Every revolution starts with a general, idle discontent. It's simply a phase in the process. Idle is a great word, a car idleing is started but not yet moving. But it's started for a purpose.
jesus man.. I had to actually STUDY the language....there is a reason we foreigners ace the SATS you know....

idle discontent = pretty close to an oxymoron...

as to your mastery....

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interred = burried my man..as in a coffin....perhaps you meant entered....

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In any case, the disclaimer was posted so you wouldn't need to.

And interred means buried... to give it a negative connotation... call it literary device.

"I'm certainly not doing this to be 'buried' in a popularity contest" - I rather liked the infered meaning.


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In any case, the disclaimer was posted so you wouldn't need too.
it is "to"..not "too"





linguistic master -- you asked for it...


sorry..carry on with the revolution..support the troops and nuke the Russians....now go live in Europe and tell me how you would feel about fall out and things that are happeneing ...ohh a border or two away as opposed to an ocean away...


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