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Arizona told to stand down with Immigration Law - July 28, 2010, 05:43 PM

We should get at least 10 pages out of this one.

Since I'm going to end up moving there one day, I have to say it worries me a little. Sure, the immigration thing-but only a little. What worries me is that the "Government" now thinks it has the right to tell states how to run things.

Funny thing is, that's how a bunch of people got stirred up back around the late 1850's right up until around 1861. Anybody remember how that went? Which state will be next and with what issue?

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I think it's hot in AZ.

Very hot. Like Africa hot.


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I think it's hot in AZ.

Very hot. Like Africa hot.
But its a dry heat..


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The Federal Government are pussies.

Arizona is hot, like Mexico hot.


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Funny thing is, that's how a bunch of people got stirred up back around the late 1850's right up until around 1861. Anybody remember how that went? Which state will be next and with what issue?

Thoughts?
Irish immigration and that little potato potatoe thing ?

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Though life in Ireland was cruel, emigrating to America was not a joyful event...it was referred to as the American Wake for these people knew they would never see Ireland again. Those who pursued this path did so only because they new their future in Ireland would only be more poverty, disease, and English oppression. America became their dream. Early immigrant letters described it as a land of abundance and urged others to follow them through the "Golden Door." These letters were read at social events encouraging the young to join them in this wonderful new country. They left in droves on ships that were so crowded, with conditions so terrible, that they were referred to as Coffin Ships.

Even as the boat was docking, these immigrants to America learned that life in America was going to be a battle for survival. Hundreds of runners, usually large greedy men, swarmed aboard the ship grabbing immigrants and their bags trying to force them to their favorite tenement house and then exact an outrageous fee for their services. As the poor immigrant had no means of moving on, they settled in the port of arrival. Almshouses were filled with these Irish immigrants. They begged on every street. One honest immigrant wrote home at the height of the potato famine exodus, "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me as badly as if I was a common Irishman." The writer further added, "Our position in America is one of shame and poverty." No group was considered lower than an Irishman in America during the 1850s.
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Italian immigration?
Italian Immigration to America - 1850s

Harriet Beecher Stowe publishes Uncle Tom's Cabin, which rapidly becomes a bestseller for a reason ?...

Oh...mehbee the Civil War?...but that lasted til 1865
Where another unconstitutional "law" was abolished...

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Read the 10th Amendment.
A coworker was down there on business and said there were 15- 20 "protesters" and 50 news reporters. What kills me is this:
"Justice Department spokeswoman Hannah August said the court "ruled correctly" with its decision Wednesday.
"While we understand the frustration of Arizonans with the broken immigration system, a patchwork of state and local policies would seriously disrupt federal immigration enforcement and would ultimately be counterproductive," August said."
Uh....Whaaaat? Disrupt the non-existent federal "enforcement"? The whole reason AZ did this is because the feds can't or won't do it.
I hope they give the feds the big


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Again a sign of a bunch of people trying to tell someone else what to do from their cozy chairs.

If their farms, land, businesses, etc were next to the border, I'm sure they would be outraged by what is happening...


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What worries me is that the "Government" now thinks it has the right to tell states how to run things.

Funny thing is, that's how a bunch of people got stirred up back around the late 1850's right up until around 1861. Anybody remember how that went? Which state will be next and with what issue?

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I think you're quite confused, or you're just spinning things the way you want to interpret them. As states chose to join the Union, they chose to give up certain rights. States can make some laws, and fed can make other laws and do other things. It has always been that way and always will be and there will be some conflicts from time to time.
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+1 Witold. Federalism means the feds at the head of the table. If AZ doesn't like it, them and Texas and Vermont can secede.

On this though.......if people are here illegally, no problem deporting them. They should come through legally like my grandparents did. But... then again illegals are vital to our economy and spanish chicks are hot. So I'm undecided. And profiling people of a certain skin tone ain't right.
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+1 Witold. Federalism means the feds at the head of the table. If AZ doesn't like it, them and Texas and Vermont can secede.

On this though.......if people are here illegally, no problem deporting them. They should come through legally like my grandparents did. But... then again illegals are vital to our economy and spanish chicks are hot. So I'm undecided. And profiling people of a certain skin tone ain't right.
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True true. When I see pasty-white WASPs moving in, I move out. I ain't living in some yuppiefied Acura-BMW-latte ghetto!
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Uh....Whaaaat? Disrupt the non-existent federal "enforcement"? The whole reason AZ did this is because the feds can't or won't do it.
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ICE used to do a pretty good job of deporting the illegals. By good I mean the would gather them up, release them until their immigration hearing, then when they did not show up for it, they were put on a list to be deported. So then the next time they got arrested and run through an illegal alien query, they would get deported to go visit family in their country before returning.

Apparently the powers that be decided that was inappropriate. So now they are only doing that for folks who have been convicted of a serious felony. Wonder what the chances are of them actually showing up for trial after they get bailed out? If they never got to trial, they never get convicted, so never get deported.

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I'm jumping the border into Mexico...Just to be different.


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I'm jumping the border into Mexico...Just to be different.
Hahahaha I always wonder what would happen... Ooo just giving you heads up it's not the easy I would know I cross that river when I was 9 years old


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