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China High Speed Rail - Faster & Cheaper Than US Plans & Spurring Economic Growth - February 12, 2010, 01:57 PM

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The Chinese bullet train, which has the world’s fastest average speed, connects Guangzhou, the southern coastal manufacturing center, to Wuhan, deep in the interior. In a little more than three hours, it travels 664 miles, comparable to the distance from Boston to southern Virginia. That is less time than Amtrak’s fastest train, the Acela, takes to go from Boston just to New York.

Even more impressive, the Guangzhou to Wuhan train is just one of 42 high-speed lines recently opened or set to open by 2012 in China. By comparison, the United States hopes to build its first high-speed rail line by 2014, an 84-mile route linking Tampa and Orlando, Fla.


Speaking at that site last month, President Obama warned that the United States was falling behind Asia and Europe in high-speed rail construction and other clean energy industries. “Other countries aren’t waiting,” he said. “They want those jobs. China wants those jobs. Germany wants those jobs. They are going after them hard, making the investments required.”









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WE NEED THIS HERE IN THE USA!!!




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I wonder if shit starts looking all anime when that thing is at top speed.


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I wonder if shit starts looking all anime when that thing is at top speed.
Anime is Japanese, not Chinese.



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Oh ... and they are the ones that helped lay our very first railroads on the West Coast and Mid-West when America was in its infancy.

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Oh ... and they are the ones that helped lay our very first railroads on the West Coast and Mid-West when America was in its infancy.

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damn that train is hot....I can see it really making a good bit of money connecting east and west coast.....

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Florida HSR is already started construction. CA HSR will begin soon.

The Amtrak Acela is planning on putting down dedicated rails and a new constant tension catenary system from Washington to Boston. The current trains are capable of 200+mph but are limited to 125 below NYC and 150 above NYC due to the track and catenary limitations.


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Florida HSR is already started construction. CA HSR will begin soon.

The Amtrak Acela is planning on putting down dedicated rails and a new constant tension catenary system from Washington to Boston. The current trains are capable of 200+mph but are limited to 125 below NYC and 150 above NYC due to the track and catenary limitations.
You work for Amtrak, right?

What's the time horizon for this. It always pissed me off to no end because I've ridden the Acela many times from NYC to DC and it's an amazing train and ride.

I like taking this more than flying --- but the whole neutered to <120 on my usual leg always annoyed the shit out of me.



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yes I work for Amtrak. Acela specifically. Lots of numbers and dates have been thrown around for the track/catenary upgrades. I'll check to see if anything has become more solid when I return.


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It's been talked about. But it's very cost prohibitive. Laying down new track is expensive as chit. For true High Speed Rail you can't utilize the existing rails. Which means you would need to lay all new track the whole way. You can get around the catenary system by using the new turbine diesel HSR trains. That's what they are planning on using for HSR from WAS to FL.

Personally, I think they need to go with a maglev system. It's more expensive initially... but the cost of operation is significantly lower. The speeds are also much faster (the new maglevs can do 500+mph. That's airplane territory)...and the ride is smooth as glass.


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Personally, I think they need to go with a maglev system. It's more expensive initially... but the cost of operation is significantly lower. The speeds are also much faster (the new maglevs can do 500+mph. That's airplane territory)...and the ride is smooth as glass.

Agreed. China already uses one from Shanghai Airport. The damn thing easily and routinely cracks 250 mph!

I can imagine track maintenance and rolling stock cost are significant lower as well. No brake pad replacement. No wheel replacement. No greasing axles or checking for cracked/bent rails. etc. etc.



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Plus energy consumption is a lot lower. You only need to power the portion of the rail that the train is currently on. The biggest holdback is $$ and public fear. There have been talks of the magnetic field causing issues. But it's mainly people that don't understand the physics. it's not like the whole rail is one giant magnet. Also what happens if there is an issue at 500mph? My counter was that a catastrophe at 500 mph on a maglev is less severe than one in a plane. The maglev does have wheels for startign and stopping. They could be used in an emergency to keep the train moving.

Really... other than the higher initial cost... I don't see a good reason NOT to go with maglev. But then I'm not a politician.


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Plus energy consumption is a lot lower. You only need to power the portion of the rail that the train is currently on. The biggest holdback is $$ and public fear. There have been talks of the magnetic field causing issues. But it's mainly people that don't understand the physics. it's not like the whole rail is one giant magnet. Also what happens if there is an issue at 500mph? My counter was that a catastrophe at 500 mph on a maglev is less severe than one in a plane. The maglev does have wheels for startign and stopping. They could be used in an emergency to keep the train moving.

Really... other than the higher initial cost... I don't see a good reason NOT to go with maglev. But then I'm not a politician.

Oh please. We get more electro magnetic radiation exposure from cell phones, high frequency radio waves, and microwaves.

The thing with magnetic radiation is that short, high frequency waves don't penetrate metals very well, nor distances. You put a barrier layer down, you're fine. There is so much more we can do with electromagnetic propulsion than we could ever with just plain electric / gas turbine, not to mention the incredible efficiencies and relatively low total operational cost.

Again, stuff that makes me mad. They say oh, it's not that easy -- and I say, bullshit yes it is if everyone would get off their protectionist ass and kick out the lobbist who constantly HALT advancement and progress.



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