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The military is far from perfect, I am just not sure how either of these help.

Nothing like introducing a group of people that kill themselves at alarming rates into another group of folks that are already killing themselves as a result of poor health and mental care

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The people who wrote that have obviously never been in todays military. Wiping out the current culture of the O ranks is sorely needed.


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Pleases explain why you think it makes sense to appoint civilians in place of officers in very specific military positions?
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The article actually says, "lateral entry would have little to no effect on military roles with no civilian counter part, such as infantry or combat aviation roles."

Carter also says "current rank-n-file cannot meet the demands of the country’s military cyber warfare and space programs." I see evidence of that first hand more than I'd like.

I have a lot of respect for the people in uniform, but just because you're an "outsider" doesn't mean you can't blend in with the military fabric by being a good leader and respecting everyone's role regardless of whether they wear a uniform or not.

That said, a lot of these technical roles don't often have people with good leadership skills. The nerd-napoleon complex can follow people even into leadership positions. Selecting sharp people who can actually communicate properly with their coworkers is not very easy.
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Ive worked with/at both civilian (GSA, CBP, DHS) and military agencies (Navy SpaWar, AF, and Army PEO EIS), and I prefer military, I like the "plan A went to shit" "ok, how do we fix it" "with this solution" "ok, go implement now." approach, no dilly dally, no year of wasted time. However I think a little shake up of civilians, and the fact that it will only attract certain people to work these possessions, many of which are already supporting the military from civilian rolls is a good thing. Joe the plumber is not going to take over as the Army CISO.


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It is often cited that certain people are not permitted to make comment on certain things because they may not be the right race, gender, orientation, etc. The idea is that they aren't a part of the "culture" so they are not allowed to make comment on some of these items because that would be cultural appropriation of sorts.

The military clearly has a "culture" of sorts as well as a chain of command. Much of these shared experiences are what build upon this cultural and create some of the comradery.

If they military is having shortfalls in personnel that they need to fill, perhaps they shouldn't be running people out of the force lock, stock, and barrel.
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Pleases explain why you think it makes sense to appoint civilians in place of officers in very specific military positions?
When no trained officer for that specific role exists.



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In a military that is already underfunded, nothing like seeing tax dollars spent on this.

Must be a nice reminder for the guys and gals that have had to undergo surgery to remove body parts that were blown off in war to see people actively undergoing surgery to remove functional body parts.

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The article actually says, "lateral entry would have little to no effect on military roles with no civilian counter part, such as infantry or combat aviation roles."

Carter also says "current rank-n-file cannot meet the demands of the country’s military cyber warfare and space programs." I see evidence of that first hand more than I'd like.

I have a lot of respect for the people in uniform, but just because you're an "outsider" doesn't mean you can't blend in with the military fabric by being a good leader and respecting everyone's role regardless of whether they wear a uniform or not.

That said, a lot of these technical roles don't often have people with good leadership skills. The nerd-napoleon complex can follow people even into leadership positions. Selecting sharp people who can actually communicate properly with their coworkers is not very easy.
1.) There's already a way to get lateral entry for technical and non combat people into the military. DoD civilians are everywhere within these roles

2) the military specialties are not creating enough vacancies for the military people we HAVE that want to go into these roles

3). you're giving these 'lateral transfers' command authority. Which shouldn't be given to someone who hasn't risen up the ranks, because it comes with a lot more responsibility, particularly when the S hits the F, that they aren't equipped to deal with.


If the military needs civilians for a specialty, we have a route for that. We don't need to give them lawful command authority and rank as well.

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8.4 million...that's chump change.

I guess there is nobody in the military that could use those resources.

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"Hey guys, great idea... let's bring people with mental dysfunctions into the military (while we're kicking people out for other dysfunctions), then spend millions to "correct" the dysfunction. Bonus: let's pick the highest suicide demographic , then add the pressures of combat to them!"

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"Hey guys, great idea... let's bring people with mental dysfunctions into the military (while we're kicking people out for other dysfunctions), then spend millions to "correct" the dysfunction. Bonus: let's pick the highest suicide demographic , then add the pressures of combat to them!"

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