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Coming soon to a government near you... - February 14, 2016, 10:45 PM

Top UK Court Rules GCHQ Hacking Of Private Telephones, Computers And Other Electronic Devices Legal
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February 15, 2016, 03:56 AM

Already here. The door for this stuff swings both ways cooperatively.

When the DIA and analysts needed electronic surveillance on subjects but couldn't get a blessing from Counsel on the taps. Rather than violate our laws and do it illegally, guess what?

They'd call their Intelligence friends in England where the laws regarding this stuff were different (far more lenient), and in the spirit of cooperation, the Brits would run the surveillance and feed the reports to America, which isn't illegal when it comes via this method - an intelligence report.



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February 15, 2016, 07:02 AM

I don't doubt that it is here already. Snowden's information if proof of this.

What I can concerned about is the state ruling that there is nothing illegal with this activity and your smart phone, TV, Thermostat, tablet, any device, can be instantly turned on as a listening and video device.

If you are terrified of the government having unabridged access to you and your personal information, you haven't been a student of history.
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February 15, 2016, 07:45 AM

It sucks and I understand the whole invasion of ones privacy--BUT, do you really have anything going on that you don't want the government to know about? If the answer is no then the likely chance that they are listening in on you is next to none and if the answer is yes then it's probably a good thing they are listening.


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February 15, 2016, 08:51 AM

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It sucks and I understand the whole invasion of ones privacy--BUT, do you really have anything going on that you don't want the government to know about? If the answer is no then the likely chance that they are listening in on you is next to none and if the answer is yes then it's probably a good thing they are listening.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/you-may-ha...something-fear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

There are mounds of information on how terrible the "I have nothing to hide" argument is. Personally, I kind of like Snowden's quote, "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say" (I know you didn't say that you don't care about the right to Privacy, Dark. It's just a common saying when this argument comes up.)

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February 15, 2016, 09:07 AM

Been around for a while. I believe the NDAA is the latest authorization for this..

US soil has been classified as a battle field. They can do anything they want in the "interest of national security"

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February 15, 2016, 09:10 AM

I absolutely agree but I see the right/wrong from both sides.


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It sucks and I understand the whole invasion of ones privacy--BUT, do you really have anything going on that you don't want the government to know about? If the answer is no then the likely chance that they are listening in on you is next to none and if the answer is yes then it's probably a good thing they are listening.

What you don't need to hide now, might be something you need to hide tomorrow. Imagine if Senator McCarthy were around today with this option?
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If you think you aren't doing something wrong...you are probably mistaken.

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February 15, 2016, 12:11 PM

The problem is not necessarily if it is right or wrong but what history has shown to happen in the past when you give an inch regarding issues like this. It's the same reason I'm strongly opposed to more gun laws. When you give an inch, it becomes an arm very quickly.


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it becomes an arm very quickly.
and an arm can become a fist...and then fist can get lubed...and you all know what happens then.
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and an arm can become a fist...and then fist can get lubed...and you all know what happens then.
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and an arm can become a fist...and then fist can get lubed...and you all know what happens then.
Not beginning to sound all that bad when you put it like that.

It's the fist without lube that gets me worried.


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February 15, 2016, 01:00 PM

I'm not sure I'm understanding this. Is the article claiming that GCHQ can now hack UK citizens and / or within UK boarders without a warrant? As far as I know that's still illegal.


What has me steaming lately is the anti-encryption movement. Literally what the fuck.


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February 15, 2016, 01:39 PM

A big part of the problem is information overload. The government doesn't have resources to go through the information they already gather. Computers can only do so much. Then you need a human to do a quick check see if there is anything worth looking at further. Then the computers go back to work. Then if they find something maybe a human will actually actually look at or listen to something.

The thing is the amount of new data put on line each year (and this is just the publicly available stuff) is growing so fast, the computers that scan and sort it can barely keep up anymore. Initially everyone was posting up pictures, now everyone posts up video and that is now turning into high def video. Then there are more and more security cameras in public areas controlled by both private entities protecting their property and public safety related cameras.

Just so much data, that if the system isn't looking for you and you are not doing something that would spike as terrorist activity, it is very unlikely that anyone is going to be looking at you or listening to you.

That is OK as long as this stays an intelligence gathering operation for anti-terrorism or major crimes. It could become a problem if it starts being used for political or other blackmail if control of the what we are listening to / looking gets directed at political enemies of the current executive branch. So I would probably be OK if the program was left in control of an alphabet soup agency and actually NOT open to the whims or Congress or the Executive branch. In other words the last thing I would want on a program like that is executive or congressional oversight. Judicial oversight would be fine. As in the Judicial branch would have to clear the computer search parameters:

We are looking for people calling these off-shore locations that also:
X, Y, Z.
We are looking for people that repeatedly say these words while talking to someone overseas or on the terrorist watch list.
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