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Considering Humanism? Pilot: Humanismís dirty little secret - November 15, 2010, 04:44 PM

Welcome to my first DCSBN Winter Drama Miniseries entitled "Considering Humanism?" in which I offer point-formed responses to some of the most common arguments and most-cited thinkers used by Humanismís evangelists. The recent launch of an ad campaign with a similar title (Considering Humanism) is the impetus for my project. The objective of these threads is to promote critical thinking and maybe even some meaningful discussion.

The one thing I promise to do is not insist that I have the last word so Iím planning to post and then let things run their course without my involvement unless I see where I need to clarify something I wrote. I am NOT out to offend people so please do not take this personally. If you want to hate on me, itís ok. If you want to post photos of boobies, thatís fine too. Regardless of the responses, Iíll try to keep things brief and to the point.

Letís jump right in: What is Humanismís dirty little secret?

According to The American Humanist Association (www.americanhumanist.org):
Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism and other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.
In other words and a bit more specifically, humanism is a stridently secular ideology that espouses reason, ethics, and justice in place of any supernatural, metaphysical, or religious dogma for guiding decision-making and morality. Sounds fine, right? So whatís the problem?!

Howóusing only reason, ethics, and justiceócan the humanist assert that decision-making should be informed only by reason, ethics, and justice without making a metaphysical (abstract, dogmatic) statement? On the contrary, this is entirely a metaphysical, dogmatic statement, and this is Humanismís dirty little secret.

Think about it...


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I'm no humanist, nor have I studied it, but "without theism" doesn't necessarily equate to "stridently secular." As an analogy, a physicist can talk about the Big Bang and the beginning of the universe without regarding the philosophical beliefs about divine beings.

Not every idea must have a mutually exclusive opposite. Ideals don't have to be supernatural in origin. I'm sure certain schools of humanism may set atheism as a foundation, but Humanism seems like such a broad area of philosophy that it wouldn't be prudent to judge all forms as one and the same.

It reminds me of the evolution debate. It seems at times the argument wants you to pick one or the other - God or Darwin. But the truth is these two issues have nothing to do with one another in their academic forms. The theory of evolution doesn't address creation, it only talks about the mechanics for variation in species.

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the idea of humanism is to not allow religeous doctrine to make choices for you. the abstract of these documents is politics, old politics of the past which have not changed to fit our society.
most of these religions are based upon money.
by taking religion out of the equation, decisions can be made by an informed and unclouded view process.


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the idea of humanism is to not allow religeous doctrine to make choices for you. the abstract of these documents is politics, old politics of the past which have not changed to fit our society.
most of these religions are based upon money.
by taking religion out of the equation, decisions can be made by an informed and unclouded view process.
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Welcome to my first DCSBN Winter Drama Miniseries entitled "Considering Humanism?" in which I offer point-formed responses to some of the most common arguments and most-cited thinkers used by Humanismís evangelists. The recent launch of an ad campaign with a similar title (Considering Humanism) is the impetus for my project. The objective of these threads is to promote critical thinking and maybe even some meaningful discussion.

The one thing I promise to do is not insist that I have the last word so Iím planning to post and then let things run their course without my involvement unless I see where I need to clarify something I wrote. I am NOT out to offend people so please do not take this personally. If you want to hate on me, itís ok. If you want to post photos of boobies, thatís fine too. Regardless of the responses, Iíll try to keep things brief and to the point.

Letís jump right in: What is Humanismís dirty little secret?

According to The American Humanist Association (www.americanhumanist.org):
Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism and other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.
In other words and a bit more specifically, humanism is a stridently secular ideology that espouses reason, ethics, and justice in place of any supernatural, metaphysical, or religious dogma for guiding decision-making and morality. Sounds fine, right? So whatís the problem?!

Howóusing only reason, ethics, and justiceócan the humanist assert that decision-making should be informed only by reason, ethics, and justice without making a metaphysical (abstract, dogmatic) statement? On the contrary, this is entirely a metaphysical, dogmatic statement, and this is Humanismís dirty little secret.

Think about it...


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I was raised Catholic, Cathol thought me a lot about doing things the right way and the "just" way because if you don't bad things will happen to you- hell. Karma could be another representation of this in some sort, do good and good things will happen, do bad and bad things will happen to you.
If I understand things clearly, humanism takes that cause-effect from behaviour, doing things in the "right" way because that is the "right" thing to do.
I believe that religion is based on fear and power, not money, the money factor came afterward.

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By far the most outspoken flavor of humanism is definitely the Secular variety--the ones running the ad campaign--so that's the variety I'm responding to. They are more than happy to tell you that there is no spiritual or metaphysical realm of any sort.

The point I was trying to make up top is that Secular Humanism's very own definition/mission statement contains a logical contradiction. When your entire belief system or life pattern or whatever they call it is based on a logical contradiction, not only can bad things happen, they most likely will.

If this is not yet clear, tune in to more episodes of Considering Humanism? right here on your DCSBN drama network. Next up: "The Supreme Authority of Richard Dawkins", featuring one of Atheism's most outspoken and aggressive proponents, a brilliant scholar who has delivered countless lectures across the globe and who has been a prolific writer of such influential works as The Selfish Gene and A Devil's Chaplain, Dr. Richard Dawkins of Oxford University.


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