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Could Pot legaliztion be on the 2016 ballot? - November 18, 2014, 09:24 AM

So after reading this article about how Congress shows little interest in blocking pot legalization in D.C. and with other parameters such as the financial positives in CO and WA, could pot legalization be on the 2016 ballot?

With focus elsewhere, GOP Congress shows little interest in blocking pot legalization in D.C. - The Washington Post

GOP congressman: Republicans should embrace marijuana legalization - The Washington Post

Pot-friendly states team up on Capitol Hill - The Washington Post

Washington’s first pot auction brings in $600,000 - The Washington Post


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I never did get why the GOP, the party that bills themselves as "freedom, america, individual rights, etc" doesn't support legalization on the basis of economic benefits and individual liberty. You'd think RJR, Altria, etc would be pushing their politicians hard to get it legalized so they can get going on true commercialization.
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Yes. Get all this over with for fuck's sake! Then all of this will be a thing of a past just like the alcohol prohibition era.


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I never did get why the GOP, the party that bills themselves as "freedom, america, individual rights, etc" doesn't support legalization on the basis of economic benefits and individual liberty. You'd think RJR, Altria, etc would be pushing their politicians hard to get it legalized so they can get going on true commercialization.
Because they think that a stoned nation is a fairly bad idea? Total shot in the dark there.



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I never did get why the GOP, the party that bills themselves as "freedom, america, individual rights, etc" doesn't support legalization on the basis of economic benefits and individual liberty. You'd think RJR, Altria, etc would be pushing their politicians hard to get it legalized so they can get going on true commercialization.
I think that this is unfortunately due to a lack of voter demographic and the implication of legalizing pot and offenders in jail for the Republican party.

Straight talk - there are a load of black dudes in jail for relatively small marijuana infractions and no one knows what to do with them. Considering they've become, in many cases, institutionalized criminals it's a big concern unfortunately. How do you explain to them that it's cool now... sorry for burning down your life. I'm not legitimizing what they've done, but mandatory minimums from the 80s were pretty brutal and disproportionate and have led to massive issues with prison overcrowding as well as a gigantic culture of criminals who may not be able to reintegrate easily. It sucks.

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Because they think that a stoned nation is a fairly bad idea? Total shot in the dark there.
Do you really think that any politician on either side honestly gives a flying f*ck about what's best for the country?
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Well that's why DC enacted a law to give the ability for folks to seal their record who have been convicted of marijuana related crimes.

D.C. Council Approves Sealing Court Records for Nonviolent Marijuana Offenses | MPP Blog

Not that this helps those who have been institutionalized but it's a step in the right direction.

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I think that this is unfortunately due to a lack of voter demographic and the implication of legalizing pot and offenders in jail for the Republican party.

Straight talk - there are a load of black dudes in jail for relatively small marijuana infractions and no one knows what to do with them. Considering they've become, in many cases, institutionalized criminals it's a big concern unfortunately. How do you explain to them that it's cool now... sorry for burning down your life. I'm not legitimizing what they've done, but mandatory minimums from the 80s were pretty brutal and disproportionate and have led to massive issues with prison overcrowding as well as a gigantic culture of criminals who may not be able to reintegrate easily. It sucks.

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Do you really think that any politician on either side honestly gives a flying f*ck about what's best for the country?
No, but I think some still have to worry, even if just a little, about their constituencies.

I'm not "for" jailing people for pot offenses. However, I see on our near horizon a devastating effect of nationwide legalization of recreational pot use devoid of the message that it shouldn't be used for recreational purposes. I'm pretty sure we'll see all or most states cave in and legalize it, so hopefully I'm wrong.


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They don't. All they care about is votes. Which is why I think the approval rating in DC was powerful. The more states that pass it, the more the national level politicians will see that it is the will of the people as a whole to legalize federally. Then they will run on that platform to get votes.
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Yeah, eventually, but it will take a while. I don't think it will be federally legalized for another 10 years. Gay marriage is a good example of how these processes work across the nation.

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Yeah, eventually, but it will take a while. I don't think it will be federally legalized for another 10 years. Gay marriage is a good example of how these processes work across the nation.
I bet it happens faster. There's a lot of money to be made selling weed.
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Agreed. The more states that legalize will cause other states to hop on to get more tax money for their own state.

I think regardless of what people think about weed, you can't deny that legalization brings in a lot of tax money. Using that tax money to improve our roads, schools, and other public services benefits everybody.

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I think that this is unfortunately due to a lack of voter demographic and the implication of legalizing pot and offenders in jail for the Republican party.

Straight talk - there are a load of black dudes in jail for relatively small marijuana infractions and no one knows what to do with them. Considering they've become, in many cases, institutionalized criminals it's a big concern unfortunately. How do you explain to them that it's cool now... sorry for burning down your life. I'm not legitimizing what they've done, but mandatory minimums from the 80s were pretty brutal and disproportionate and have led to massive issues with prison overcrowding as well as a gigantic culture of criminals who may not be able to reintegrate easily. It sucks.

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havnt had a chance to google yet. what did they do with the guys in jail when prohibition ended?


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havnt had a chance to google yet. what did they do with the guys in jail when prohibition ended?
The prohibition didn't see any truly large scale criminalization of the populace like the 1980s war on drugs has produced (in the millions). The scale differences, comparatively, won't translate into any de-criminalization solution. Additionally, the criminals who were picked up during prohibition were actually really bad guys for the most part. They were large importers of liquor, but also racketeers, extortionists, and organized criminals and murderers.

In this case we have tens of thousands of relatively benign, non-violent inmates serving 5+ years in prison with very low prospects of employment following a felony incarceration... a recipe for reoffending.

Removing felony histories for non-violent offenders is the first step. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes (5 years in jail), but don't penalize beyond the appropriate measure of what's reasonable.


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