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Grand Opening - Grand Closing. Strasburg Out For 2 Seasons - August 27, 2010, 10:51 PM


Stephen Strasburg of Washington Nationals has torn ligament; surgery probable - ESPN

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WASHINGTON -- Stephen Strasburg had to get through a few hours of anger, confusion and certainly a few more volatile emotions before he was ready to accept the sobering news expressed in three disheartening words.
Tommy John surgery.


The Washington Nationals rookie sensation is done for the season -- and maybe next season as well -- after the team announced Friday that he has a torn ligament in his right elbow. He will travel Saturday to the West Coast for a second opinion, but the 22-year-old right-hander has accepted the fact that he will need the ligament replacement operation that requires 12 to 18 months of rehabilitation.



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I think I called this when I was at a game a few months ago...


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Ligament damage is common in pitchers, especially those with high across-the-board speeds (vs just fastball speeds), as they subject them to stress on EVERY pitch, instead of just a fraction. Since he has one of the highest ball speeds in the league, AND is a starter (unlike the other pitching speed freaks like mariano rivera, and others who are relievers or closers and thus keep their pitch count down), it put him at high risk for injury. I didn't imply I called that it would happen NOW, just that (after witnessing his speed on all types of pitches)it would happen sooner than expected. Shit, you can't have a mid-90's curveball and slider, combined with a low 90's "changeup" and a high 90's fastball without incurring some damage. Combined with a heavy rotation limiting healing of microscopic tears, and the fact he hasn't sustained major injury yet (with many years in HS and college of high speed pitching, in heavy rotation), it was going to happen.


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He'll be back. Too much talent not to be back, but I doubt he'll be a fireballer anymore. Maybe 1 or 2 innings of fireball stuff and then he'll have to learn to use more finesse and lower speeds.

Possibly even totally change his pitching motion.



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Ligament damage is common in pitchers, especially those with high across-the-board speeds (vs just fastball speeds), as they subject them to stress on EVERY pitch, instead of just a fraction. Since he has one of the highest ball speeds in the league, AND is a starter (unlike the other pitching speed freaks like mariano rivera, and others who are relievers or closers and thus keep their pitch count down), it put him at high risk for injury. I didn't imply I called that it would happen NOW, just that (after witnessing his speed on all types of pitches)it would happen sooner than expected. Shit, you can't have a mid-90's curveball and slider, combined with a low 90's "changeup" and a high 90's fastball without incurring some damage. Combined with a heavy rotation limiting healing of microscopic tears, and the fact he hasn't sustained major injury yet (with many years in HS and college of high speed pitching, in heavy rotation), it was going to happen.
Oh I know what you meant, I was just replying in general that you could see he was going to be injured soon. The guy throws way too hard across the board, as you noted. It'll be interesting to see if he can come back, and just how dominant he is afterwards.


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He'll be back. Too much talent not to be back, but I doubt he'll be a fireballer anymore. Maybe 1 or 2 innings of fireball stuff and then he'll have to learn to use more finesse and lower speeds.

Possibly even totally change his pitching motion.
he won't be the same.. ever.. remember Kerry Wood?? Same pitching coach.. same problem.. he doesn't know how to handle young arms..


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He'll be back. Too much talent not to be back, but I doubt he'll be a fireballer anymore. Maybe 1 or 2 innings of fireball stuff and then he'll have to learn to use more finesse and lower speeds.

Possibly even totally change his pitching motion.
Unlikely, the majority of successful TJ surgery pitchers came back throwing harder than before. Around 75% success rate and of those 75% more than half threw faster than before the surgery...

His mechanics were going to change regardless of the surgery. they were already working on that for multiple reasons


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You can make the same call about Chapman who has been clocked at 115 in the minors and settles in around 100-103..

Pitchers get hurt, most all stars/hof have had multiple surgeries. The human arm is not designed to pitch at sustained speeds for long periods of time. Not really a prediction, more an inevitability.

Those who don't make the media with injuries probably suffer many 'lesser' woes and have plenty of help rehabbing (*cough* HGH mr Pettitte?)


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You can make the same call about Chapman who has been clocked at 115 in the minors and settles in around 100-103..

Pitchers get hurt, most all stars/hof have had multiple surgeries. The human arm is not designed to pitch at sustained speeds for long periods of time. Not really a prediction, more an inevitability.

Those who don't make the media with injuries probably suffer many 'lesser' woes and have plenty of help rehabbing (*cough* HGH mr Pettitte?)
115? Um, that's well above the fastest pitch ever recorded, which I believe was 104.8mph. Perhaps you were thinking fps? In fact there is really good data that says the ultimate limit is about 100-105 depending on the person, for a purely natural arm. Now, if the ligaments (the limiting factor) were replaced with something artificial, 110+ could be achieved, but only in a really tall guy with long arms.


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115? Um, that's well above the fastest pitch ever recorded, which I believe was 104.8mph. Perhaps you were thinking fps? In fact there is really good data that says the ultimate limit is about 100-105 depending on the person, for a purely natural arm. Now, if the ligaments (the limiting factor) were replaced with something artificial, 110+ could be achieved, but only in a really tall guy with long arms.
my bad..I 'misremembered' it is 105 instead of 115 (2 different guns)...still doesn't take away from the point this guy is a freak and bound to get hurt I've heard the Feller stories as well...

interestingly enough, the Nats were in the secretive bidding race for Chapman right up to the end

Report: Scout clocks Reds' pitching prospect Chapman at 105 mph

By David Brown
Hang onto your catcher's mitts, people. They reportedly clocked Cincinnati Reds prospect Aroldis Chapman(notes) at 105 mph Friday night.
No, not in a car, driving home from Louisville Slugger Ballpark. Chapman was pitching for the Triple-A Louisville Bats of the International League. And, Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse reports, the left-hander threw 105 mph.
One-oh-five.
Your first thought might be, "Yeah, right. Did he strike out the Loch Ness Monster on three pitches while he was at it?"
Price, who usually isn't given to hyperbole, tweeted the news.
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Aroldis Chapman tonight hit 105 mph and "sat at" 103, with a 90-91 slider. Scout: "best fastball I have ever witnessed"
Do I believe 105 mph? It seems pretty fantastic, doesn't it?
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all of Famer Bob Feller, legend has it, once threw a ball 107.9 mph. Feller (right) probably would tell you he did it. But I think they timed him pitching against a speeding motorcycle. By the time the Army got involved clocking Feller after WWII, he was throwing about 99.
It's rare for any pitcher to reach 100 mph; Most top out in the low 90s. Perhaps 95 is considered "really fast" for a major leaguer.
Maybe the Chapman gun was a little hot. And yet, Price says a scout, along with the ballpark scoreboard — presumably using another radar device — had the same reading.
It wasn't a start; Chapman tossed an inning of perfect relief against the Columbus Clippers. Checking the box score, Chapman threw 16 pitches — including 11 strikes — and got three swinging strikeouts.
For one inning, a guy who has been clocked at 100 or 101 before could put a few extra feet on his fastball. It's possible.
The question is, do the Reds really want him to be throwing 105? The human arm isn't really meant to pitch at all, much less at those speeds. One of these days, Chapman's elbow is liable to fly off his arm doing 45.
Look where Washington Nationals right-hander Stephen Strasburg(notes) is right now.
Chapman is expected to join the major league pennant race come September. The Reds could use him, but only if he promises to keep it under 100.


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Chapman make it official:

Chapman throws fastest pitch ever recorded


By Steve Henson, Yahoo! Sports Sep 25, 3:49 am EDT

SAN DIEGO – Aroldis Chapman(notes) was summoned from the bullpen one batter too late to make a difference in the game. No matter. The 22-year-old Cincinnati Reds
left-hander made do by making history Friday night, throwing the fastest pitch recorded in a major league game, a 105-mph fastball.


Ardolis Chapman's 25 pitches on Friday night (each registering 100 mph or faster, including his record-breaking 105 mph heater) must have been a blur to Padres batters.

The blazing pitch pushed a white-hot pennant race to the back burner. Yes, the San Diego Padres won the game 4-3 to pull ahead of the Atlanta Braves in the National League wild-card race. Sure, the San Francisco Giants all but buried the Colorado Rockies thanks to a dominant performance by Tim Lincecum(notes).

But the lingering memory was of a now-you-see-it, did-I-actually-see-it fastball to Tony Gwynn(notes) in the eighth inning. The pitch was not a fluke: Chapman threw 25 pitches in his 1 1/3 innings of relief, and every one was at least 100 mph. He didn’t throw a slider. He didn’t throw a changeup. Why would he?

From Walter Johnson to Bob Feller to Steve Dalkowski to J.R. Richard to Nolan Ryan to Stephen Strasburg, blistering velocity is etched forever in baseball lore. Rush Chapman to the head of the list. Has anybody in the history of the game had a comparable 25-pitch sequence?

Fastest Recorded MLB Pitches
Name Team Year MPH
Aroldis Chapman Reds 2010 105
Joel Zumaya Tigers 2006 104.8
Aroldis Chapman Reds 2010 104
Mark Wohlers Braves 1995 103
Armando Benitez Giants 2002 102
Jonathan Broxton Dodgers 2009 102
Neftali Feliz Rangers 2010 102
Bobby Jenks White Sox 2005 102
Randy Johnson Diamondbacks 2004 102
Matt Lindstrom Marlins 2007 102
Robb Nen Marlins 1997 102
Justin Verlander Tigers 2007 102


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