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Handing Your Phone Over. - December 12, 2014, 08:33 AM

Yea sure lure the public into thinking it saves them time. Meanwhile they will be able to handle your phone and possibly download everything or upload malware.

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better have a scan-able bar code, kids are gonna fake the hell out of it if it doesn't


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batteries dead, sorry officers.


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I keep my own personal digital copies of some identification in an encrypted password protected and hidden folder on my iPhone's directory (Jailbroken of course because Apple would never think that such a thing would be useful in their Native OS )

However, after the blatant and unscrupulous abuses of PRISM and Dropout Jeep (that we know of), it re-affirmed my belief in having no interest in EVER putting any state or government sanctioned app on my phone.

The backdoor to abuse and tracking is far to easy and too tempting a piece of low hanging fruit for an agency who decides they want to skirt the normal legal process.



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December 12, 2014, 09:40 AM

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However, after the blatant and unscrupulous abuses of PRISM and Dropout Jeep (that we know of), it re-affirmed my belief in having no interest in EVER putting any state or government sanctioned app on my phone.

The backdoor to abuse and tracking is far to easy and too tempting a piece of low hanging fruit for an agency who decides they want to skirt the normal legal process.
Yep.

Worst case if ever mandatory (since a license is a PRIVILEGE and not a right, they could try to make it mandatory..... yes people would fight it, but legally it might be possible??) I'd put it on a phone with no service, that I leave OFF except when that app/ID are needed.


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Yep.

Worst case if ever mandatory (since a license is a PRIVILEGE and not a right, they could try to make it mandatory..... yes people would fight it, but legally it might be possible??) I'd put it on a phone with no service, that I leave OFF except when that app/ID are needed.
Exactly. 2nd phone with nothing on it.


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shouldnt need a hard copy of a license anyway...


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batteries dead, sorry officers.
That is 4 too many words.


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shouldnt need a hard copy of a license anyway...
Want to move to a biometric ID system?
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That is 4 too many words.
If you skip those then you'll likely end up only having to say two words, "Wrong hole"


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shouldnt need a hard copy of a license anyway...
Actually it's still the best idea to have it hard copy until technology is at a point that it would make sense.

Examples:
Your in an accident and unconcious.. your phone is locked or worse broken. How are they going to figure out who you are?
Battery dead while boarding a plane.



Here are my thoughts on digital Drivers License after taking some time to think about it.

1.) Assume it can be hacked/Altered/Faked, will clubs validate this? I mean obviously if a police officer pulls you over and you have a fake ID and he runs it, they'll figure it out.
2.) like said above, am I handing my "licence" to police when asked now? or is there some way to wirelessly "beam" it to them. Again not handing my phone over. (or can the app "LOCK" the phone so when in the app you need a pin to get IN and OUT?) That said, do you trust that their isn't some master pin generator that can get the government in/out?
3.) I'd think using a normal DigitalID and linking that to your DMV record would be better. Officer pulls you over, you scan your digital ID as a barcode/etc. Then it pulls your License record up on their device and validates it against your digital ID that you provided and control.


I'd really love to know if they talked to IT Security people when coming up with this plan or if it was developed with Social Media experts LOL. Making everything Digital isn't always a WIN.... Also love to see more details on how it works, like a public Q&A board where they would address issues raised.


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If you skip those then you'll likely end up only having to say two words, "Wrong hole"
For years now I've made it a policy to never communicate with the police during traffic stops. Statistically speaking you are probably not going to come up with the best words to defend yourself or your actions on the side of the road, regardless of whether or not you are guilty.

If you feel the need to say something, ask a question, but never answer one. For example:

"Am I obliged to answer your question?"

you never are...but if they lie and say YES you are OBLIGED...then you can follow up with:

"What is the section or code of law that states I am obliged to answer your questions?"

or....if you really wanna have fun:

"Am I obliged to understand your question?"

"Am I obliged to comprehend what you are asking?"

It is on THEM to prove that you MUST know what they are asking, it is not on you.

Usually it is best to keep your mouth shut. Most feel coerced, most have never spent time in a cell...so they crack. Jail time is not the end of the world, but to some it is and they equate jail with prison. For short time incarceration its generally cold, noisy, subpar food and occasional chest puffing. Basically boring.


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December 13, 2014, 10:51 PM

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Would rather have a fingerprint or retina scam than a rootkit on the device that I use for emails, texts, phone, and photography... While I don't have anything to hide from the police, I don't trust them to place cybersecurity and my ID as their top priority.
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Would rather have a fingerprint or retina scam than a rootkit on the device that I use for emails, texts, phone, and photography... While I don't have anything to hide from the police, I don't trust them to place cybersecurity and my ID as their top priority.
I'd be cool with cops having a fingerprint scanner and me not having a license. I would not be cool with the police linking into the MVA fingerprint database for criminal investigation.
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