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Has anyone come across this stuff???? - October 20, 2006, 11:57 AM

Ultra-low sulfer diesel fuel..

So here's the story...

A buddy of mine is a tech for Mercedes-Benz and they just sold their first 07 diesel. The problem is this car REQUIRES Ultra low sulfer diesel fuel. If it is filled up with Standard grade diesel the engine troubles will follow and if it filled up with Low sulfer then an 8K$ exhuast is in their future and the warrenty will not cover it if they're putting the wrong fuel in.

So I left my house in Fredericksburg and he left his In Arlington, between the 2 of us we hit about 100 or so gas stations that sold diesel and couldnt find any.

So anyone know where to find some?
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It will be required that all stations have it very soon like in the next month. I just can't remember the date.

Thank the gubment for adding another couple grand to a diesel and to the cost of the fuel.
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MB's will now have to have a urea tank refilled at each oil change

GM is adding a particulate filteration system and some other engine mods

Ford has a whole new motor with some very high-tech injectors

Jeep and VW have no diesels as of yet for 2007 they stocked up on 2006 models.
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October 20, 2006, 12:06 PM

Well, outside of CA, stations aren't required to sell only ultra-low sulfur diesel until December 1, 2010 (9/1/2006 in CA).

That being said...there should be a label on the pump that looks like:




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http://www.clean-diesel.org/highway.html

80% of produced diesel must be ULSD by 6/1/06...meaning, you should be able to find some...I would call around, or email the various mfg's (shell, etc) to find service stations that sell it.


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Well, outside of CA, stations aren't required to sell only ultra-low sulfur diesel until December 1, 2010 (9/1/2006 in CA).

That being said...there should be a label on the pump that looks like:



given the timeframe for introduction outside of california, I can imagine its going to be very very tough to find it. but if you do, let me know
Where did you see that? All new 2007 Diesel require ultra-low. I just heard on the news that it was to mandatory in all stations this year.
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The new rule requires refiners and importers to produce highway diesel meeting a 15 parts per million (ppm) maximum requirement, starting June 1, 2006; however, pipelines are expected to require refiners to provide diesel fuel with an even lower sulfur content, somewhat below 10 ppm, in order to compensate for contamination from higher sulfur products in the system, and to provide a tolerance for testing. Diesel meeting the new specification will be required at terminals by July 15, 2006, and at retail stations and wholesalers by September 1, 2006.
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October 20, 2006, 12:18 PM

its not required stations only sell it (outside of CA) until 2010, since 80% of the production/import must be ULSD already, most will likely be carrying it. However, since the contamination, mixing, etc may occur, and LSD is >30x times the sulfur of ULSD, even a small bit of cross-contamination can make the sulfur content exceed the ULSD limits (which are tested at the pump, not at the plant)

this is the reason why the required date is so far down the road--basically to ensure all the non ULSD diesel is eliminated from the inventory / systems so that ULSD doesn't have to be produced at <<15ppm in order to test at <15ppm after any potential contamination

california is different, as they require only ULSD to be sold after 9/1/06


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Here the Link http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ulsd/index.html

Only 20% may produce the old suff until 2010.
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If what you are saying is true then there going to be a lot of pissed off diesel owners.
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October 20, 2006, 12:29 PM

Marc: I know what I'm looking for I just cant find it.
Green sticker white writing is ultra low
green sticker, yellow writing is low.

Space: By Jan 07 all gas stations that sell diesel will be selling low sulfer (500ppm) not Ultra low (15 ppm) and its going to be expensive because the low sulferr and ultra low aren't compatible meaning new pumps and tanks.

and the urea tank is synthetic horse urine the system is called bluetek.
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According to almost everything that is published ULSD should be at the pump now.

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On-Highway Diesel Fuel
Refinery < 15ppm by June 1, 2006
Terminal < 15ppm by September 1, 2006
Retail < 15ppm by October 15, 2006
Off-Road / Locomotive & Marine Fuel < 500ppm by June 1, 2007
This is from the Chevron website

http://www.chevron.com/products/prod.../ulsd.shtml#A2


Sure would be nice to know what the actual regs are. I sell these things. Although we don't have any ULSD unit hitting the ground yet, we still should know. My sources at GM say that ULSD should be at the pump.
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Interesting for current diesel owners

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The "Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance," an industry group consisting of oil and gas producers, engine manufacturers, the American Petroleum Institute (API) and others, states that "engine and vehicle manufacturers are not anticipating that existing [diesel engine] owners will have to make changes to their equipment to operate [on] the new fuel.

A small number of vehicles may require preventative maintenance in the form of upgrading certain engine and fuel system seals that may not perform well in the transition to the new fuel and could leak. Studies of test fleets have indicated that fuel system leaks are not exclusive to a particular engine type, fuel type or geographic region. It is anticipated that only a small fraction of the vehicles will be affected."

A leak in your fuel system can be dangerous, potentially causing fires to occur if diesel fuel comes in contact with hot engine parts. It is recommended that you consult with your vehicle manufacturer for advice about maintaining or replacing the fuel system seals in your vehicle.
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October 20, 2006, 04:00 PM

This is great. now they can charge even more for a fuel that at one point was a waste product. It use to be less refined and still costs more than high grade.





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According to almost everything that is published ULSD should be at the pump now.
I agree, but where is the question, Hit 90% of the gas stations from the massaponax exit (126) all the up to alexandria and arlington and out to Fairfax and fairlakes area. All we could find was Low not ULSD. Its mandated in California but just starting to get out of there. so if you have a vehicle that requires it you better warn someone they might have a problem finding it.
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