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How much longer do we have? - December 1, 2006, 11:56 AM

Just something to get different peoples views, and some minds churning on this lazy Friday:

How Long Do We Have?



About the time our original 13 states adopted their new
constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history
professor at the
University of Edinburgh, had this to say
about the fall of the
AthenianRepublic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature;
it simply cannot exist as a permanent form
of government.

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time
that voters discover that they can vote themselves
generous gifts from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes
for the candidates who promise the most benefits
from the public treasury, with the result that every
democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal
policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations
from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.
During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. >From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "
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December 1, 2006, 12:03 PM

We are in the seventh step. It's actually interesting to see the metamorphasis of any society, but especially in the democratic realm.

This is also known as Institutionalization of Democratic Government. It actually turns itself into dictatorship. The release of personal responsibility, institutionalized responsibility requires money (taxes), the power (money/decisionmaking/etc.) become isolated within certain groups.


Bing bang boom - soft dictatorship.


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December 1, 2006, 12:12 PM

I don't see the demise of america to be too soon. We'll be around long after those commi fauks.


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December 1, 2006, 12:13 PM

I'm on step 9:

9. FROM BONDAGE TO A CARD BOARD BOX
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December 1, 2006, 12:22 PM

actually i just picked up a book that i plan on reading over break

Dark Ages America: The Final Phase of Empire
by Morris Berman




" A despairing analyst of contemporary America, Berman continues criticism begun in The Twilight of American Culture (2000). One character crystallizing Berman's thoughts is President George W. Bush, under whom, according to Berman, the U.S. is incipiently, if not actually, suffering a "presidential dictatorship," a "de facto Christian theocratic plutocracy."


i'm not sure if i'm in 100% agreement and he may be too extreme but i guess i'll decide after i read the book.... enh..


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December 1, 2006, 12:26 PM

snopes strikes again http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp


more.... http://www.geocities.com/nerolsnillo...ry/tytler.html

also, added, a great analysis and response http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north484.html






in short, just another pessimistic chain email. I don't think we're about to fall apart. I think as far back as I can remember and I'm quite positive much farther back than that, people have been afraid of a return to tyranny, and to be honest, it has yet to materialize. Democracy is the rule of the mob anyway, so it's bound to create these fears and paranoia.


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I unfortunately agree with Ben.
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I unfortunately agree with Ben.
+1!!
It's hard not too... those who say it's just another pessimistic chain letter are also being very close-minded... Big Bad America will last forever?
Cause we rock!!! Like Rome did?
I guess the main difference would be that we probably won't try to take Russia...
the scorched earth policy seems to be the end-all, be-all for many great societies.
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December 1, 2006, 01:20 PM

nope, we won't last forever, democracy is dynamic, there is a constant ebb and flow, and change will occur, so I won't worry myself being paranoid about it, because it will happen regardless of attemps to slow the tide.


just for funsies, lets say we are quickly on our way to tyranny and bondage, what are your feelings on gun control, being that the first step in any tyranny is to disarm the masses, because it's for the "common good"


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I would think that our gun control laws have been more and more stict over the past recent years. Ten years ago getting a gun was much easier than today. I for one, believe anyone who wants a gun should be able to have one, I myself have 4 handguns, a shotgun and two hunting rifles.
Also, punishment for illegal weapons possesion has gone up considerably, including having your name put on the "list" the FBI keeps of possible terrorists.
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The sky is falling the sky is falling... the Democrats took congress! This country is coming to an end! Repent of your sins and vote Republican!

Has anyone ever seen one of these BS propaganda emails (earlier iterations of this chain mail have a more political tone) that argue falsely in favor of Liberal ideology? I'm honestly curious.


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The most thriving countries on the planet have total gun control.
Picture that.


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The most thriving countries on the planet have total gun control.
Picture that.

Germany flourished under Hitler and the Nazis. China and the Soviet Union went from agrarian societies 100 years behind the curve to industrial powers in basically nothing flat, would I want to have lived through that? not a chance.


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Germany flourished under Hitler and the Nazis. China and the Soviet Union went from agrarian societies 100 years behind the curve to industrial powers in basically nothing flat, would I want to have lived through that? not a chance.
I don't know that I would say Germany "Flourished"...
How long was in a command? 11 years?
You wouldn't say a marriage "flourished" if it ended in 11 years... would you?
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when you consider the state of the german economy post WW1, yes, they absolutely flourished once hitler took power. That country was a shell after the treaty of Versailles. The Nazi party turned the economy around and created an incredibly powerful military state that could very well have won the war in Europe if Hitler had been a bit more patient and not made several incredible blunders. They are a perfect example of what Govt can accomplish when given unlimited power. history proves however, that there was a significant downside


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