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Illinois House votes to allow residents to carry concealed guns - May 25, 2013, 10:16 AM

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(Reuters) - The Illinois House of Representatives on Friday voted overwhelmingly to allow residents to carry concealed guns, taking the state one step closer to joining all others in allowing some form of carrying guns in public.

Illinois is the only state in the nation to ban most people from carrying a concealed gun outside the home. Lawmakers acted on Friday after a federal appeals court in January struck down the ban, saying it violated the right to bear arms enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. The court gave the state six months to pass a new law that would be constitutional.

The National Rifle Association stayed silent on the proposal in order to avoid antagonizing some lawmakers who did not want to be seen voting for a plan backed by the gun lobby.

But if the proposal backed by powerful Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan becomes law, it would achieve the NRA's longtime goal of ending the Illinois ban and making some form of concealed carry legal in all 50 states.

The proposal faces stiff opposition from many lawmakers representing Chicago, where police say gun trafficking has led to a surge of violence and a rise in gang-related shootings and murders. Passage of the proposal in President Barack Obama's home state also would run counter to his administration's efforts to put more controls on guns in the wake of Newtown, Connecticut, school massacre last year.

Democratic Governor Pat Quinn and the leader of the Illinois Senate, John Cullerton, vowed to fight the plan.

"This legislation is wrong for Illinois," Quinn said in a statement after the vote. "We need strong gun safety laws that protect the people of our state. Instead, this measure puts public safety at risk."

Madigan noted that the bill passed 85 to 30, which is enough votes to override a veto by the governor.

Quinn and some state senators object in particular to a provision that would repeal gun control laws in Chicago and more than 200 other communities and replace them with state law.

The bill passed on Friday says the state "shall issue" a permit to carry a weapon if the person passes a background check and has a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card.

It bans guns in bars where more than 50 percent of sales are from liquor, as well as at festivals.

The measure allows local law enforcement to object to granting permits to people with an arrest record, and those believed to be a danger to themselves or to the public. A new seven-member licensing board would review applications.

Under the measure, concealed carry would be prohibited at all schools, colleges and universities, child-care facilities, parks and playgrounds, Chicago area forest preserves, state and municipal government buildings, libraries, hospitals, mental health facilities, nursing homes, airports, stadiums, arenas, sporting events, amusement parks, zoos, museums, public transportation and government public gatherings.

The bill requires 16 hours of training, including range exercises, making Illinois training the most strenuous in the nation, Madigan said.

Current law bans the carrying of concealed weapons by virtually everyone except police and security guards, hunters and members of target shooting clubs.

All other states allow some concealed carry. Some, such as New York, have strict requirements. Others, such as some western states, do not require permits at all.

(Additional reporting by Greg McCune; Editing by Bob Burgdorfer)


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May 25, 2013, 10:18 AM

Yeah... the bill is awful though. High cost training, State police have to approve the course, LOTS of off limits areas.

It's an improvement, but this bill was not the victory illinois gun owners were hoping for.


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"This legislation is wrong for Illinois," Quinn said in a statement after the vote. "We need strong gun safety laws that protect the people of our state. Instead, this measure puts public safety at risk."

People watch as Chicago crime remains high year after year, decade after decade. They are finally seeing through this, flimsy, tired old canard that banning guns keeps the public safe.


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Link to bill: SB2193ham001 98TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

1) If bill passes, applications will be made available no later than 180 days.
2) Processing time of applications 90 days.
3)All law enforcement agencies, Federal, State, and Local, will have access to the database of anyone applying for a concealed carry permit.
4) Any of said LE agencies have the right to object to a license applicant from obtaining a carry permit.
5) If you have 5 or more arrests for any reason within 7 years prior to application, your application will be objected to.
6) If you have 3 or more arrests, preceding the application. Your permit will be objected to. (Im confused on 5 & 6)
7) Any objection by a LE agency will be sent to a Review Board.
The Review Board will consist of 7 Commissioners, all appointed by the Governor. Pat Quinn on gun cuntrol >) Pat Quinn on Gun Control
9) No 4 commissioners can be from the same political party.
10) Meetings of the Board shall not be subject to the Open Meetings Act and records of the Board shall not be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
11) Applicant must be 21, possess a valid FOID card.
12) Applicant must not have been convicted or found guilty in IL or any state for a) Misdemeanor of using physical force to harm another individual within the past 5 years. b) 2 DUIs within 5 years of application.
12) Applicant must not have an outstanding arrest warrant.
13) Has not been sent to court ordered treatment of alcoholism, detox, or drug rehabilitation.
14) Has completed firearms training as prescribed in the act (details later below)
15) Application will include a waiver of applicants privacy and confidentiality pertaining to any LE and/or court records dealing with psychological, and institutionalization matters.
16) Application will include a sworn statement, that the applicant has not failed a Drug Test within the past year.
17) All Applicants will be finger printed.
Prohibited Areas
1 Schools, Child Care Facilities.
19) Government Buildings. Public Parks.
20) Hospitals, Nursing Homes.
21) Public Transportation areas including their Parking lots.
22) Any place that serves alcohol.
23) Any Public Gatherings that require a permit. i.e rallies, protests etc.
24) Universities.
25) Horse tracks and casinos. lol what?
26) Public Libraries, museums, parks, forest preserves
27) Signs will be clearly posted as to where fire arms CANNOT be carried.
Violations
2 Cannot carry under influence of Alcohol or drugs. Violation will result in suspension or termination of permit.
29) Violation of carrying on a suspended permit can result in a Class A or Class B misdemeanor.
Firearms Training Requirements.
30) Within 45 days of Bill Passing, Department shall begin approval of firearm training courses and post it on the website,
31) 16 hours training including range qualification. (Dont know if is 16 hours plus additional range hours, or 16 including additional hours).
32) Will have to perform live fire demonstration infront of certified instructor. Demo must include 30 rounds minimum. 10 rds from 5 yards, 10rds from 7 yards, and 10 rds from 10 yards.
33) 8 hours of training will be recognized from firearms training courses approved by the laws of another state.


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Let's hope it passes through. What most lawmakers fail to recognize is "laws" are for "law abiding citizens" that have something to loose. Criminals don't give a fauk...


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Basically the bill allows you to CC, if you happen to be rich, and have time and resources to spend on the all the requirements.

Not exactly equal protection for the common man.



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Then public trans thing will become a real easy target for a lawsuit for discrimination against the poor


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What most lawmakers fail to recognize is "laws" are for "law abiding citizens" that have something to loose. Criminals don't give a fauk...
right, so why have any laws at all?



oh no wait..can't have that. Let's only have the laws that I want


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right, so why have any laws at all?

oh no wait..can't have that. Let's only have the laws that I want
Ok then let's have laws for everything. Including how you can take a shit, how you can piss, how you can eat your food, who you can date, when you can eat your food etc... etc... It's easy to go to extremes isn't it

God gave us all a brain and common sense. I'm scared of guns so let's just ban them all


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I think this is great. Plus the required training and demonstration is a great idea. More states should adopt that regiment. The there would be less assholes walking around with a gun trying to compensate for something else. I can't stand to see ccw holders at the range that can't properly clear a malfunction or for that matter load and unload a magazine and gun properly. It's ridiculous. The restrictions will get lifted over time once the population has proven that they can be safe gun owners. The NRA will make sure of that.
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I think this is great. Plus the required training and demonstration is a great idea. More states should adopt that regiment. The there would be less assholes walking around blogging trying to compensate for something else. I can't stand to see people post on the Internet that can't properly construct a sentence or for that matter spell correctly. It's ridiculous. The restrictions will get lifted over time once the population has proven that they can use their first amendment properly. The ACLU will make sure of that.

See how ridiculous this sounds in the context of the first?


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Lol love it. A fine example you are Fitz.

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Ok then let's have laws for everything. Including how you can take a shit, how you can piss, how you can eat your food, who you can date, when you can eat your food etc... etc... It's easy to go to extremes isn't it

God gave us all a brain and common sense. I'm scared of guns so let's just ban them all
Your point was that criminals won't abide laws anyways so why have laws at all. There are also plenty of examples where God has failed to provide a brain and common sense, unfortunately not all men are created equally. Some have hatred and malice at heart, others are just plain nuts.

There are actually laws on where you can take a shit, stop crapping in the alley son.

What you and many others fail to recognize is that laws are a part of society. The concept of society is that being part of it yields greater rewards then going at it alone. As society grows, the need for compromise arises and the members of said society agree on certain guiding principles.

You know this.

Please proceed with your "I don't want to live in this society anymore" divisive reply.

Reasoned compromise is fast becoming a lost art. It takes intelligence. In no way do I see it as a sign of weakness. The inability to forge compromise is much easier and much weaker.

Of course that logic does not promote the usual 'funny sarcastic flaming' internet replies. Who wants a logical reply when you can rant and rage instead? No fun at all right?

I only say this because I want you to surrender all your guns right now of course. Especially anything Turkish made, hand over that Girsan.


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Your point was that criminals won't abide laws anyways so why have laws at all. There are also plenty of examples where God has failed to provide a brain and common sense, unfortunately not all men are created equally. Some have hatred and malice at heart, others are just plain nuts.

There are actually laws on where you can take a shit, stop crapping in the alley son.

What you and many others fail to recognize is that laws are a part of society. The concept of society is that being part of it yields greater rewards then going at it alone. As society grows, the need for compromise arises and the members of said society agree on certain guiding principles.

You know this.

Please proceed with your "I don't want to live in this society anymore" divisive reply.

Reasoned compromise is fast becoming a lost art. It takes intelligence. In no way do I see it as a sign of weakness. The inability to forge compromise is much easier and much weaker.

Of course that logic does not promote the usual 'funny sarcastic flaming' internet replies. Who wants a logical reply when you can rant and rage instead? No fun at all right?

I only say this because I want you to surrender all your guns right now of course. Especially anything Turkish made, hand over that Girsan.
My point was criminals won't abide by any gun laws. Will they abide by traffic laws? Probably not but we don't either and guess what we'll still abide by gun laws because there is too much to loose if we don't. So you can't go and make claims like lets get rid of laws all together.

The problem is the laws that punish the large majority, who abide by laws, to ineffectively stop criminals who won't abide by them anyway i.e. gun laws. And I don't mean the requirements. I don't mind providing my finger prints and my other relevant info to the gov't in exchange for being able to carry or purchase weapons. I don't mind following certain rules such as can't carry into an establishment that serves alcohol, or gov't building, or school. But when the gov't (especially the local gov't) goes oh you can't have this or that because you don't want it for protection, you want it because you want to commit crimes, it makes you loose faith in them as well. Other laws are put in place to establish a tone and set of rules to keep everyone relatively safe. This one is not.


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