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It's Gonna Be 1992 In California All Over Again - Cop Executes Black Kid, Gets 2 Yrs.
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It's Gonna Be 1992 In California All Over Again - Cop Executes Black Kid, Gets 2 Yrs. - November 5, 2010, 06:02 PM

Short version: Bay Area Transit Cop shoots the man in the back while he's face down on the ground, hands behind his back, not resisting, and a fellow officer has a knee on his neck. He dies of single gunshot wound.

Blue Wall of silence immediately goes up. Cop resigns 36 hours later so he's no longer compelled to give a statement or report to the police.

Sentence was handed down today: Cop received 2 years less time served. He'll be eligible for parole in 4 months. SMH.

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LOS ANGELES -- Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Perry sentenced former BART police Officer Johannes Mehserle to two years. He gets credit for a year of time served.



Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in July in the fatal shooting of 22-year-old Oscar Grant III early Jan. 1, 2009, on the Fruitvale BART platform in Oakland.


The case began more than a year ago when Mehserle pulled out his gun and shot Grant in the back as the 22-year-old Hayward man lay facedown on the Fruitvale BART station platform.


The shooting immediately sparked racial tensions in Oakland and led to a few violent protests as many said the killing highlighted a longtime concern of minority communities about police abuse. The case eventually was relocated to Los Angeles because of concerns about security and the heavy media coverage of the killing.

The shooting followed a sometimes chaotic scene at the station, which began with a call from dispatch early New Year's Day, asking for officers to respond to a fight on a Dublin-bound train.



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I hope they burn this country down for a few days. Injustice for the innocent is injustice for all. The video says it all. SMH.


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If you can't tell your taser from your firearm, you have no business being a cop.
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If you can't tell your taser from your firearm, you have no business being a cop.
If the excuse he gave was plausible - that he accidentally grabbed his gun instead of his taser - then the question is:

(1) Why would you taser someone who is laying face down with their hands pinned behind their back, and with another officer kneeling on his head and neck?

(2) Why would you taser someone when it is clear one of your officers is TOUCHING the person who's about to be lit up? They always teach you to make sure no one else is touching the subject less you shock the hell out of them too.

Sorry, his excuse was bullshit through and though. He blew his top and executed the guy. He deserves a murder charge not manslaughter. He definitely deserves more than 2 years with a 1 year credit for time served.



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(2) Why would you taser someone when it is clear one of your officers is TOUCHING the person who's about to be lit up? They always teach you to make sure no one else is touching the subject less you shock the hell out of them too.
Doesn't quite work that way. I once had a long conversation with some LEO's about this misconception. As long as you arent touching the wires, or close to the prongs, or close to the path in between them (or a combination of those), you will not also be tased.


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You can grab someone that is being tazed without getting the 50K in voltage.

Just can't grab the wires or put your hands between the probes.
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Just can't grab the wires or put your hands between the probes.
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Doesn't quite work that way. I once had a long conversation with some LEO's about this misconception. As long as you arent touching the wires, or close to the prongs, or close to the path in between them (or a combination of those), you will not also be tased.
Ok, cool. Thanks for the clarification.

I thought the rule was not to be touch the subject at all until the burst stopped. If I recall correctly, each squeeze of the trigger initiates a timed 5 second jolt.



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Damn homie, props on that link. That document is some good shit. Sheds alot of light on what exactly happened. It seems to have been an accident; but 2 years aint enough for taking someone's life even by accident.

Life will be his jail now anyways that he is so labeled. Wouldnt be surprised if he committed suicide. Sad story all the way around.


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Damn homie, props on that link. That document is some good shit. Sheds alot of light on what exactly happened. It seems to have been an accident; but 2 years aint enough for taking someone's life even by accident.

Life will be his jail now anyways that he is so labeled. Wouldnt be surprised if he committed suicide. Sad story all the way around.
Keep in mind that document was probably drawn up by his attorney prior the trial and the testimony presented there... It's not the final conclusion of the investigation or trial. Hence why you get to learn all about what cool guy the defendant is and what a crazy ex-con the "alleged victim" is at the beginning...

Nontheless, yeah the sentence was too light...

But this is also an opportunity to say that you should always be compliant with an officer of the law. Oscar Grant was clearly resisting and created a heated moment during the incident (probably alcohol-fueled). Kicking and screaming isn't good when people with guns are trying to arrest you and think you might be reaching for a weapon.

At around 1 minute the victim's right hand goes behind his back near his waistband (involuntarily I'm sure). After that the officers pin him down and the chaos ensues.

But jesus... claiming to not know your taser from your gun! That's bullshit.

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Keep in mind that document was probably drawn up by his attorney prior the trial and the testimony presented there... It's not the final conclusion of the investigation or trial. Hence why you get to learn all about what cool guy the defendant is and what a crazy ex-con the "alleged victim" is at the beginning...

Nontheless, yeah the sentence was too light...

But this is also an opportunity to say that you should always be compliant with an officer of the law. Oscar Grant was clearly resisting and created a heated moment during the incident (probably alcohol-fueled). Kicking and screaming isn't good when people with guns are trying to arrest you and think you might be reaching for a weapon.

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Did you watch the video?
How do you reach for a weapon laid out on your stomach, with your hands held behind you back controlled by a police officer and another officer kneeling on your head and neck?

They physically had to flip him over on his stomach because he couldn't turn his torso on his own with the guy mashing his head into the ground.



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A little after 1:00 I see him reach back with his right hand. Maybe just adjusting his shirt or something (he was found to be unarmed). The officer in the back takes notice and they all pin him to he ground. He gets patted down... He goes from kneeling to flat on his stomach, is flipped over on his side/back to be patted, flipped back onto his stomach.

That's what I'm seeing.
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