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Judge Overturns DC Gun Ban - July 27, 2014, 09:26 AM

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July 27, 2014, 09:38 AM

Yah, I see DC Government just deciding to "Ignore" the ruling because of precedent by the DoJ choosing to 'Ignore' the enforcement of current law.

DC Government will say something along the line of "What ya gonna do 'bout it if we just ignore this judicial review and decision? Sue us?
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Sadly this is the precedent set and people will follow.

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July 27, 2014, 11:03 AM

DC still does not issue CCWs under any circumstances to citizens, so I don't understand how this ruling changes anything. That unless this applies to open carry - in which case DCs banned weapons list is so expansive legal owners might as well have 6-Shooters and Muskets.



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Gun Ban - July 27, 2014, 11:10 AM

The primary reasoning for the ruling was the House of Representatives (and rightly so utilizing their powers of the purse under the Constitution) were going to cut off D.C>'s funding lines if they did not recognize CCW permits issued by other states. Now what other craziness D.C. comes up with as far as registration remains to be seen.


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DC still does not issue CCWs under any circumstances to citizens, so I don't understand how this ruling changes anything. That unless this applies to open carry - in which case DCs banned weapons list is so expansive legal owners might as well have 6-Shooters and Muskets.
D.C. Code § 22-4504(a) is the concealed carry law.

The ruling also says D.C. Code § 7-2502.02(a)(4) can not be enforced. That's the registration restriction law.


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Yah, I see DC Government just deciding to "Ignore" the ruling because of president by the DoJ choosing to 'Ignore' the enforcement of current law.

DC Government will say something along the line of "What ya gonna do 'bout it if we just ignore this judicial review and decision? Sue us?
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Sadly this is the president set and people will follow.
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So can I open carry from VA through DC now in my car or not?


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July 28, 2014, 08:34 AM

as a dc citizen ..... what do this means for me?


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So can I open carry from VA through DC now in my car or not?
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Here's the quirk in this ruling. It does nothing to address:

- DC's harshly punitive laws for possession of ammunition without a registered weapon in DC, and for the avoidance of doubt, DC also considers spent and empty shell casings ammunition. I believe the penalty is up to 1-year of imprisonment and a $1000 fine.

- DC's punitive laws for possession of any caliber of ammunition for which you do not have a registered weapon in DC that uses the corresponding caliber.

- DC's strict magazine capacity laws. Under loading a mag to meet capacity restrictions is forbidden. The mere possession of an over capacity magazine is illegal (unless your name is David Gregory).

So, what does that mean? If you're a non-DC resident, feel free to bring your weapon into the district and carry - but it has to be unloaded and without a magazine that violates the capacity law.



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July 28, 2014, 09:14 AM

They make just the possession of ammunition illegal if you don't have a matching registered weapon? That seriously blows my mind. You don't even need an ID to buy ammo almost anywhere in the country.

Yet another end run around the constitution. Crazy...


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They make just the possession of ammunition illegal if you don't have a matching registered weapon? That seriously blows my mind. You don't even need an ID to buy ammo almost anywhere in the country.

Yet another end run around the constitution. Crazy...
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July 28, 2014, 10:29 AM

damn.....i think i have some spent casing from the 80s i need to finally dump...shit.


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They make just the possession of ammunition illegal if you don't have a matching registered weapon? That seriously blows my mind. You don't even need an ID to buy ammo almost anywhere in the country.

Yet another end run around the constitution. Crazy...
Yes. Even a spent casing is illegal. There have been two notable cases in DC, one where a military member turning in his DD214 paperwork had visited a range the day before and a few empty 9mm shells ejected and flung into his sack. The shells triggered the metal detector and he was arrested.

The second involved a lawyer who lived in NW DC. Police were called to his home for something or other, and while there noticed an empty and spent 12 Gauge husk on his desk. It was something he kept as memento from a hunt he went on 10+ years earlier. He was arrested for possession of illegal ammunition.



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Whole article here. Anti-gun D.C. officials will move fast to stay landmark CCW ruling - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com





UPDATE: Examiner has obtained a copy of Lanier's memorandum to District police officers, which states, "Residents of the District in possession of an unregistered firearm may be charged with Unregistered Firearm and, if applicable, Unregistered Ammunition if they do not also reside in a jurisdiction where they could legally possess the firearm. At this time, individuals who do not live in the District shall not be charged with either unregistered firearm or unregistered ammunition, but other charges may apply."
She spelled out three scenarios dealing with stopping a man on the street carrying a firearm:
  • The man says he is a resident of the District, but the gun is unregistered. You should charge him with Unregistered Firearm.
  • "The man lives in Vermont, which does not require a license or permit for either open or concealed carry of a handgun. You run his name, and no criminal record is apparent. You should record any relevant information for potential further investigation, and he is free to leave."
  • "The man lives in Virginia, where no license or permit is required to openly carry a handgun. However, when you run his name, records indicate that he is a convicted felon. Under District and federal law, felons may not legally possess a firearm. You should arrest him for Unlawful Possession of a Firearm."


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Whole article here. Anti-gun D.C. officials will move fast to stay landmark CCW ruling - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com





UPDATE: Examiner has obtained a copy of Lanier's memorandum to District police officers, which states, "Residents of the District in possession of an unregistered firearm may be charged with Unregistered Firearm and, if applicable, Unregistered Ammunition if they do not also reside in a jurisdiction where they could legally possess the firearm. At this time, individuals who do not live in the District shall not be charged with either unregistered firearm or unregistered ammunition, but other charges may apply."
She spelled out three scenarios dealing with stopping a man on the street carrying a firearm:
  • The man says he is a resident of the District, but the gun is unregistered. You should charge him with Unregistered Firearm.
  • "The man lives in Vermont, which does not require a license or permit for either open or concealed carry of a handgun. You run his name, and no criminal record is apparent. You should record any relevant information for potential further investigation, and he is free to leave."
  • "The man lives in Virginia, where no license or permit is required to openly carry a handgun. However, when you run his name, records indicate that he is a convicted felon. Under District and federal law, felons may not legally possess a firearm. You should arrest him for Unlawful Possession of a Firearm."
She didn't touch the magazine capacity law though. Left that trap door wide open for people to fall into. The law, as its written, makes no distinction for resident or non-resident. Handgun mags that can hold more than 10 cartridges are banned outright.



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