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LA doping case - October 11, 2012, 02:10 PM

So the USADA finally came forward with the report.

The reality is that Armstrong should have admitted he doped (if indeed he did) and blown the covers off of everyone.

Problem with the USADA's report is that it is mostly hearsay and hearsay from admitted cheaters.

Now, even if Armstrong did dope, so did everyone else so at this point, what is the USADA gaining by going after Armstrong? All it does is show that the testing used by the UCI was a complete failure and nearly everyone was cheating and most got away with it for years. Armstrong denied doping because he knew that the only evidence the USADA or anyone else could come up with was hearsay at best. Now, if pints of blood, or test samples are retested and prove to show the use of steroids, EPO, etc...then it is case closed. However, even with all of their evidence and testimonies, there is still no solid proof of whether or not Armstrong doped. Although, it would be difficult to argue that he did not dope since it seems that just about everyone else did. Again, it turns into a circle and in the end...their case does nothing unless they punish everyone involved...but how do you do that without solid proof?
It's a cirlcle which encompasses no winning solution.

If Armstrong is stripped of his titles...it gives cycling a black eye along with Armstrong's Cancer foundation which works against a valid cause. If they do not find Armstrong guilty, nobody will ever view him the same along with the others who testified including Hincapie so guilty or not guilty at this point his reputation is ruined along with the validity of the races during that time period.

Problem I have is all those who cheated for so many years, why didn't they come forward and give a reason for a search warrant, if they knew all of this including having Armstrong's blood..all they had to do was take or report it to an authority and really help the sport by catching him red handed. Instead, they cheated, they got away with it, and when they realized Armstrong and the others may be caught they finally come forward. To me, that does nothing for anyone except point out (as I said earlier) the failures of the testing program. The report clearly shows how many got away with doping for years.

It's not the "passed" tests or anything else that concern me...it's WHY didn't any of these people come forward to bust him while all of this was going on? He probably did dope, do they have 100% solid evidence? NO...so again...what does any of this really do? At this point nothing...

So if Armstrong doped...so what...seems like everyone else did, the only correct course would be to wipe out those tours along with everyone who came forward results. No winners here period! I do sincerely hope this leads to more money being invested into the testing program not only at the pro level but at the AM levels as well.


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I read the full report.

He actually did test positive on more than one occasion.

6 of his samples in 1999 ranged from 89%-100% (80% is the standard), thus positive for EPO

He was also positive in the Tour de Suisse in 2001. Bank records show a transfer from Lance to UCI fo $100,000 to make that go away. UCI had a history of calling in 'suspect' or positive riders to warn them. Yes, the ones who were supposed to deal out the sanctions were shielding key riders. Tyler Hamilton made a similar visit to Switzerland's UCI HQ.

So all the major US cyclist - save one - came forward yesterday and confessed to doping. These are not heroes, this was not courage. These guys were all subpoenaed by the feds. They knew they were on the record and they knew the USADA report was out yesterday. At least they had the ball(s) to come clean. Lance still won't

Yes, they all doped. Problem is that Lance also trafficked and coerced riders to use. If you didn't dope on US Postal, you were off the team (direct from the report). lance went out of his way to destroy anyone who even brought up doping allegations regarding his person. He stated he vehement disapproval of anyone who had anything to do with doping. Now all his best buds have fessed up and stated they saw him shoot up. What now Lance?

funny tidbit in the report from Dave Zabriski: The US Postal team had their own EPO song to the tune of Jimmi Hendrix's Purple Haze:

"EPO all in my veins,
Lately things just don't seem the same,
Actin' funny, but I don't know why,
'Scuse me while I pass this guy."



if you read the report and still believe Lance didn't dope you either don't want to know or really don't get it.

I hope the feds re-open their case and hang him by his ball.


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So we are chasing a guy who won a tournament over 5 years ago in a foreign country...on hearsay evidence that isn't admissible in court in the US.

And the US public is footing the bill.

During a time of serious economic turmoil.

Couldn't we spend those millions doing something constructive?


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So we are chasing a guy who won a tournament over 5 years ago in a foreign country...on hearsay evidence that isn't admissible in court in the US.

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During a time of serious economic turmoil.

Couldn't we spend those millions doing something constructive?
Yea, like bringing back AMA to VIR....


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So we are chasing a guy who won a tournament over 5 years ago in a foreign country...on hearsay evidence that isn't admissible in court in the US.

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During a time of serious economic turmoil.

Couldn't we spend those millions doing something constructive?
Hearsay does not equal circumstantial evidence.

This reports has tons of damning evidence, circumstantial as well as emails, financial records and more.

First hand accounts of eye witnesses are certainly admissible and have put plenty of murderers on the chair.

USADA is merely doing their job.


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Yea, like bringing back AMA to VIR....
VIR screwed that up when they got greedy and then didn't do a fraction of the work the previous entertainment company did. Funny how the revenue & gate numbers went down practically overnight.


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Ironically enough, you gave him the millions to fund his doping habit to start with.

US Postal team was federally funded.

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I read the full report.

He actually did test positive on more than one occasion.

6 of his samples in 1999 ranged from 89%-100% (80% is the standard), thus positive for EPO

He was also positive in the Tour de Suisse in 2001. Bank records show a transfer from Lance to UCI fo $100,000 to make that go away. UCI had a history of calling in 'suspect' or positive riders to warn them. Yes, the ones who were supposed to deal out the sanctions were shielding key riders. Tyler Hamilton made a similar visit to Switzerland's UCI HQ.

So all the major US cyclist - save one - came forward yesterday and confessed to doping. These are not heroes, this was not courage. These guys were all subpoenaed by the feds. They knew they were on the record and they knew the USADA report was out yesterday. At least they had the ball(s) to come clean. Lance still won't

Yes, they all doped. Problem is that Lance also trafficked and coerced riders to use. If you didn't dope on US Postal, you were off the team (direct from the report). lance went out of his way to destroy anyone who even brought up doping allegations regarding his person. He stated he vehement disapproval of anyone who had anything to do with doping. Now all his best buds have fessed up and stated they saw him shoot up. What now Lance?

funny tidbit in the report from Dave Zabriski: The US Postal team had their own EPO song to the tune of Jimmi Hendrix's Purple Haze:

"EPO all in my veins,
Lately things just don't seem the same,
Actin' funny, but I don't know why,
'Scuse me while I pass this guy."



if you read the report and still believe Lance didn't dope you either don't want to know or really don't get it.

I hope the feds re-open their case and hang him by his ball.
Hmmm I remember saying alot of this months ago in another thread but the fanboi's got all ticked off. Glad to know there is someone else out there who can see and read the truth.
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October 11, 2012, 09:56 PM

we need a sport that endorsed steroids, body building has steroids but they don't go "USE MORE ROIDS" on tv. Alot of our icons use them anyway, schwarzenager used them...got into office and no one gave a shit.

Anyway, here's a whole documentary about steroids...it's by the same people who did supersize me.


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The documentary examines the steroid use of the director Christopher Bell and his two brothers who all grew up idolizing Arnold Schwarzenegger, Hulk Hogan, and Sylvester Stallone, and also features professional athletes, medical experts, fitness center members, and US Congressman talking about the issue of anabolic steroids.[4]

Beyond the basic issue of anabolic steroid use, Bigger, Stronger, Faster* examines the lack of consistency in how America views drugs, cheating, and the lengths people go to achieve success.

This includes looking beyond the steroid issue to such topics as Tiger Woods laser eye correction to 20/15 vision, professional musicians use of anxiety reducing drugs, or athletes' dependence on cortisone shots, which are a legal steroid.

The film also takes a skeptical examination on claims to the health risks of steroids and is highly critical of the legal health supplement industry.


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^thats actually a pretty cool documentary. Watch it people.


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