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Marines - August 14, 2009, 09:33 PM

So my brother decided hes going to join after college. Hes gonna do basic during the summers and joing after.

My questions:

Hes talking to a recruiter Monday, what should he make sure he recieves(school paid for, insurance, etc..)

I want to make sure hes getting a fair deal and signs on it all and not some older recruiter hustling my brother into something he doesnt understand.

Should I go with him to make sure my brother doesnt forget to ask or sign something

Are you able to make deals with the recruiter as to benefits and what not he will recieve for joining

I fully support him and think its great that he is going to do this but do not want to see my nieve brother getting into something he doesnt 110% understand. I think the marines are great and something he could never make a mistake with. But I am not a big fan of recruiters or as I feel they are the govts version of cars salesmen.

What should my brother go into the recruiter with is my main question and should I be there to make sure he doesnt just say yes to anything?

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August 14, 2009, 10:31 PM

He'll be fine as long as he doesn't sign an open contract. Make sure he specifies an occupation field.

Other than that, the Marine Corps doesn't really offer all the fancy shit that the rest do. You get your MGIB, some college fund stuff, and maybe a few other odds and ends.

He'll be fine. Let him go by himself, he's a big boy now.


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August 15, 2009, 12:15 AM

What I didn't know about before I joined/ pointers I was given.

Was if your going to buy anything or get a credit card for something that would have high interest rates try to get it before you go in anything prior to enlisting falls under the service man relief act they my only charge a max of 6%.

Call anyone you pay bills to insurance, phone, etc I can almost promise they give a military or gov discount.

If he deps don't let them dick him into going early if he is in the middle of courses/ training for education; you can use that to make a higher pay grade and come in as a E-2 or E-3 out of school.

Take the least amount of crap you can to boot camp and wear plain shirts.

Marine recruiters for the most of the time along with army lie/ strech the truth the most I was in school for mechanical engineering before I joined the air force and navy told me straight up there were no jobs that fell directly in that line of work that get contracted out any more, as for the marine he told me some bs and the job title went home looked it up. Turns out his idea of a engineer is a guy who knocks down trees so the planes can land.

If he isnt planning on being a lifer dont let them sucker him into a six year if he wants to stay re ups tend to have higher bounuses for four year guys you sign for six they figure your going to stay anyway.

And really wheather or not he likes the idea of it or not check out the other branches they all pay the same so you may find a job in the other services you like more if its only the fitness hes going for each branch has its own bad asses tacp, sere, halo, green berrets and so on he may have a better suited job somewhere else.
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August 15, 2009, 12:24 AM

Don't get me wrong one of my biggest factors in joining was a marine who mentored me in high school and college and a robotics teacher who was ex air force. Along with a few other marines and their exact words were "stay away" go for the air force, navy, or coast guard they tend to get the newest gear when they need it and are anal about taking care of their troops health. I work with the other branches and on a very regular basis the marines get over worked for no reason passing out from dehydration and exhaustion.
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August 15, 2009, 08:54 AM

Any question he might have has already been answered here
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=36


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Any question he might have has already been answered here
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=36
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August 15, 2009, 09:29 AM

unless he wants to be infantry, i would tell him to look at another service
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August 15, 2009, 12:23 PM

agree 100% with Woody.

i don't regret one day of my 8 years in the USMC...just only wish I woulda took full advantage of the MGIB while I was in...all schools do now is make the process stupid hard and usually F it up.
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August 15, 2009, 07:33 PM

Everyone here is pretty much right on. Being a wife of a former submariner, I do know in the navy you get sea pay, and sub pay (if joining submarines), and depending on your rate, your re-enlistment bonuses are real nice!! Nukes get more pay I believe too. If you re-enlist in a hazard zone (tax free), than even better. Navy go out to sea alot, but more ports to visit. But definately make sure ANYTHING THEY SAY/ "PROMISE" IS IN WRITING! Best wishes to him.
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August 15, 2009, 08:04 PM

Above all else, my suggestion is make 110% sure that your brother knows these two things.

1. A MOS promised, in writing or otherwise, prior to basic, is not binding.
2. You can change your mind up until you've signed the paperwork *AT* the base. In other words, he has *no* obligation, no matter what he's signed, until he's signed the *real* documents after arriving on base.

When you get off the bus at Parris Island, one of the first things you do is sign forms. One form you sign is that you will go wherever uncle sam needs you. This superceedes any other documents, and negates any "jobs" promised by anybody.

Another document signed will place your brother under the UCMJ. Once that document is signed, there is no turning back. The only way out is a discharge. Up until signing himself under the UCMJ he can change his mind and come home. No harm no foul.

I had in writing that my MOS was military intelligence. When I got there, my MOS was Cannon Cocker, forward observer. I was also "forced" to leave 8 months early. The Marines were fucking me.

I wish I had known the above, because I would have told them where to shove it and walked away. Getting out after the paperwork is signed sucks.

He won't be getting off the bus until a long bus ride, and arriving 1-2 in the morning, tired as hell. That is intentional, because tired and suddenly scared kids just go along with anything the yelling marines say. They know you can still say no. They corral you in to document signing immediately.

This only applies to my experience with the marines. But those two facts apply to any branch of the military.

I'm not saying the Marines will try to fuck your brother too, but if he knows those things and has the balls to stand his ground, he can avoid being fucked if that's how things go.

And definitely go in with your brother to speak with the recruiter. You won't be able to get much as bonus and whatnot right now though because there are a lot of broke people in this economy turning to the military. That's just how it is.


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Agree with above, but clarify Enlisted or Officer? He's got college probably should go Officer, otherwise enlisted.

I loved all my time in the Corps. Made great friends, saw countries most only/ever will hear of, and did some shit hot training as well.

His MOS depends on how he does on the ASVAB<-- scores high gets more jobs=more techincal jobs=transfer to civilian world possible making 6 figures(have personally seen this) or be like me and end up as a security guard on a government contract.
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FO is a really, really, really cool gig.


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Agree with above, but clarify Enlisted or Officer? He's got college probably should go Officer, otherwise enlisted.

I loved all my time in the Corps. Made great friends, saw countries most only/ever will hear of, and did some shit hot training as well.

His MOS depends on how he does on the ASVAB<-- scores high gets more jobs=more techincal jobs=transfer to civilian world possible making 6 figures(have personally seen this) or be like me and end up as a security guard on a government contract.
Enlisted. I nailed the asvab and the gt, but my high school transcript is/was crap.


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August 15, 2009, 08:29 PM

damn Seij a little upset?

Man I was getting the weird eye as soon as i got off the bus at PI..."AREN'T YOU TIRED, YOU SHOULD BE TIRED BOY!!! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE YOU ARE SON!!" "uh yea...I live about 5 minutes away and used to cut grass and shoot hoops on PI " "OHHH WE GOT A COMEDIAN...." "uh no, u asked a question and since i'm from the area, i answered it accordingly" "WHAT WHAT, I ..... I WHAT IS THIS I!!!" hahahaha drill instructors are awesome.

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I'm sure you're right. But there was so much shady stuff going on, it made me very uncomfortable about everything, so I got out.

I think the military is great, and it's great for some people.

I shoot people straight, and I only deal with people who shoot me straight.

After they led me through a dog and pony show, and did the old bait and switch, I decided it wasn't for me.


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