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More bad news for HD DVD - January 10, 2008, 10:29 AM

With Warner just announcing going blu only, it seems the last two HD DVD companies are about to jump. Paramount and Universal rumors...


http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/s...oth-going-blu/


Rumors just won't stop about the future of HD DVD, and while we try not to post all of them, some seem too believable to pass up. Our friend Bill Hunt, at the Digital Bits, -- still waiting on those permalinks, Bill -- is reporting that his "second to none" sources informed him that both Universal and Paramount are in the process of going blu. But don't bother asking 'em, because the same contracts that prevent them from switching now, prevent them from confirming the rumor. In addition, Bills sources tell him that while Paramount could make an announcement any day now, Universal's won't come until February -- at the earliest -- because "their contract period with the HD-DVD camp expires at the end of January."




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Rumors are rumors. I wouldn't believe it until Paramount or Universal said so. The picture quality is nearly exactly the same, and HD DVD players and disks are much cheaper. The publics wants will still play greatly into the ultimate decision. And, while people around the greater DC are a can afford the cost of going blu, the average American income of $600 a week may feel a bit more of a sting from that decision.


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If everyone decides to go Blu will the companies who are now producing HD DVD go back and remake the HD DVD's produced into Blu Ray?


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crap on a crap cracker... I got an HD-DVD player too, and exactly 35 days ago, so the return period ended the day after WB made it's jump.. I still think Hd shoulda won over Bluray, but now it seems like the war is all but decided. Once paramount jumped over, and they dropped the prices ont he HD player, I figured HD would get the upper hand, but Sony/ Bluray' marketing and buyout dollars went futher than Toshiba/ HD's. Plus the porn industry didnt help like it did for VHS.

Perhaps it really is just a big conspiracy by microsoft to confuse and retard the HD-disk movement until HD-downloads become more realistic, essentially skipping that whole step..


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January 10, 2008, 12:05 PM

Given that both formats use the same compression, the only real difference is storage capacity, and Blu-ray has the edge there.


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Given that both formats use the same compression, the only real difference is storage capacity, and Blu-ray has the edge there.
Except that HD-DVD came out with a triple layer disk that holds 1 more Gb than Bluray's dual layer (51 vs 50), although neither are currently used very much at this point. the triple layer disk is still supposedly cheaper to manufacture than the dual layer bluray since it uses the same structure as regular dvd's.

Just goes to show you that the only real advantage bluray has over HD is their respective marketing departments... People still believe Bluray has more storage.


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It is far from over yet. Blu Ray still is not a finished specification yet. Blu Ray players that are on the market today do not have features that future Blu Ray discs will have on them, so I wouldn't go and buy a player just yet.

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Porn industry comment:

LAS VEGAS—The adult film industry is still taking a wait-and-see approach to the Blu-ray /HD DVD wars. But while Blu-ray's perceived costs have pushed some companies into the arms of the HD DVD camp, Warner Bros.' decision last week to exclusively support Blu-ray has some thinking that the end of HD DVD is nigh.
Executives in the adult-film industry spoke Wednesday during the opening day of the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo 2008, which briefly overlaps with the more mainstream Consumer Electronics Show ending Thursday.
"It could be a real sign that things will shift," Jeff Thill, director of video operations for the Hustler Video Group, said about the Warner decision. Thill said he sees no advantage of one format over the other, but is "leaning Blu-Ray" after Warner's announcement.
The Blu-ray camp, led by Sony, has been fighting Toshiba and its HD DVD format for years in a battle reminiscent of the VHS versus Betamax battle. In that fight, Betamax maker Sony's refusal to work with the porn industry helped usher in a VHS victory when the adult industry capitalized on the burgeoning popularity of VCRs and video rentals.
Hustler had some success recently with the Blu-ray release of Jenna Haze Oil Orgy, said Thill, who was on hand to showcase Hustler's latest releases at the annual AVN Adult Entertainment Expo.
The company packaged the "Jenna" disc with an HD DVD and standard version in case users had trouble with Blu-ray, but has thus far not received any complaints. In March, Hustler will release its latest "Barely Legal" DVD in the Blu-ray format, he said.
Hustler has released two titles using the HD DVD format, Thill said. The company expects to release between 15 to 25 high-definition videos in 2008, most of which will probably be Blu-ray, Thill said.
Blu-ray is "a little bit of a headache" because of royalty fees, but it's "six of one, a half dozen of the other" with the format wars, he said. Blu-Ray also "sounds sexier," according to Thill, and there's "an important base in the gaming world" because the popular PlayStation 3 runs Blu-Ray while Microsoft has released an optional HD DVD drive for its Xbox 360 console, Thill said.
Vivid Entertainment, home to porn star Jenna Jameson, has also released videos on Blu-ray and HD, said David Peskin, Vivid's national sales manager. It currently has two Blu-ray titles and three HD DVD titles on the shelves.
Vivid was initially "conservative" with its high-definition re-order numbers, but is "starting to stock a little heavier" since sales have been promising, Peskin said. Vivid has seen Blu-ray sell more units online while HD does better in retail stores, he said.
The company doesn't yet have a format preference. "Both have surpassed expectations," he said, though Peskin also pointed to the PlayStation 3 connection as a plus for Blu-ray.
Some companies have had to bypass Blu-ray altogether. Jackie Ramos, vice president of DVD production for Wicked Pictures, "looked to Blu-ray" when the company was first exploring high-definition about a year ago, but had trouble finding a provider that would produce Blu-ray discs for the adult industry.
Wicked has since released about a half dozen HD DVD titles, but Ramos managed to track down some porn-friendly Blu-ray producers and is now "aggressively" looking at those options.
With the Warner decision, things are "a little more serious," Ramos said, and, to him, it makes sense to examine Blu-Ray should it become the industry standard.
Ramos also had concerns about the Blu-ray price point. There's a copyright aspect you can't get around with Blu-Ray, whereas HD DVD allows you to choose whether or not you want that copyright protection, he said. "With adult industry, HD DVD was friendlier price wise."
Ramos expects to select a Blu-ray producer in the next few weeks and hopes to release Wicked's first Blu-ray title in the next few months, he said. But he was not convinced that the porn industry was driving the debate as it did with VHS and Betamax.
"What really drives it is the availability of players" and what the consumers want, Ramos said. HD capitalized on that by selling cheaper players, but now that many of the major studios have jumped on the Blu-Ray bandwagon, "we'll have to see," Ramos said.
Albert Lazarito, vice president of Silver Sinema, also believes the consumer is key to winning the DVD battle. "With the Warner Brothers decision, the market will direct the outcome," he said. Lazarito is "more than confident that it won't be the adult realm" that selects a final DVD format.
Silver Sinema has been filming in HD because Blu-ray is too expensive, Lazarito said, but his company is "ready to go depending on how the market shifts."
Pink Visual was also turned off by the cost of Blu-ray, explained director of marketing Kim Kysar. "HD DVD was affordable; it was doable. Blu-ray was too expensive," she said.
Pink Visual will release its first HD-DVD video next week.
"Everybody's going to want to have both options," Kysar said. "Blu-Ray could be the next step, but not if nobody uses it and it stays too cost prohibitive."
Kysar also expressed concern about how much the camera would capture in high-definition, a sentiment echoed by Lazarito.
"Imperfections are modified," Lazarito said.


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Universal is officially not renewing:

<H1>Blu-ray could win high-def battle

HD DVD backers could switch sides soon

By DIANE GARRETT, BEN FRITZ





The two remaining studios backing HD DVD could switch sides soon, ending the high-def format war instantly. Daily Variety has confirmed that Universal's commitment to backing HD DVD exclusively has ended. And Paramount has an escape clause in its HD DVD contract allowing it to release pics on Blu-ray after Warner Bros.' decision to back that format exclusively.
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Neither studio is ready to throw in the towel immediately, however. Universal is committed to a series of promotions for the high-def format in coming months, and Par has said its current plans are to keep supporting HD DVD, which it backed exclusively in August.
Should Toshiba concede defeat on the format, the decision to drop HD DVD would be made for both studios. But Toshiba doesn't appear ready to do that. At the Consumer Electronics Show, the manufacturer reaffirmed its commitment to the format, noting strong sales during the fourth quarter and indicating it would continue marketing its hardware through 2008.
But retailers may force the HD DVD camp's hand: They're unlikely to keep devoting premium shelf space to a dying format, and at this point, the odds are not in HD DVD's favor. With Warners' defection, only Par and U remain in the HD DVD camp; Sony, Disney, Fox, Lionsgate remain ardent Blu-ray backers. Warner sister companies New Line and HBO are also shifting allegiance to Blu-ray.
Last summer, Blockbuster also threw its weight behind Blu-ray, though some HD DVD discs remain in stores. And Warner will continue to release HD DVD discs for the next few months to honor its previous commitment to Toshiba, which extends through May 31. Paramount's HD DVD deal, which covers DreamWorks releases, was to run through this year.


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Another thing to factor is Microsoft.
To this point, the software giant hasn't spoken. However, Microsoft isn't the type of company that gives up lightly, and it most definately isn't going to back the technology that is driving the PS3 while the Xbox is on the market. If Microsoft feels that the format war is going to go to blu ray, I'm sure you'll see large amounts of funding coming from the HD-DVD camp.


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Hmm, last I heard, Bluray was not allowing coptyrights for adult material, same as had happened for betamax, but I guess they have changed their minds during the stalemate...

regardless, does anyone really want to see Hi def porn? There's a reason they use haze filters on adult pictures..


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Another thing to factor is Microsoft.
To this point, the software giant hasn't spoken. However, Microsoft isn't the type of company that gives up lightly, and it most definately isn't going to back the technology that is driving the PS3 while the Xbox is on the market. If Microsoft feels that the format war is going to go to blu ray, I'm sure you'll see large amounts of funding coming from the HD-DVD camp.
Actually Yao, in the last few days Microsoft did say that they weren't too concerned about WB's defection, even the format war, and if the market chose bluray, they would come out with a bluray peripheral for the 360. Which is strange, becasue i thought microsft was one of the big HD backers. This is what keeps fueling the rumors that Microsoft is trying to prolong the format war enough that it never gets a foothold before downloaded media replaces it.


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Except that HD-DVD came out with a triple layer disk that holds 1 more Gb than Bluray's dual layer (51 vs 50), although neither are currently used very much at this point. the triple layer disk is still supposedly cheaper to manufacture than the dual layer bluray since it uses the same structure as regular dvd's.

Just goes to show you that the only real advantage bluray has over HD is their respective marketing departments... People still believe Bluray has more storage.
1) there are no triple layer HD-DVD players yet
2) Blu-ray is also working on a triple layer

I guess my statement should have been that Blu-ray has a higher storage capacity per layer. once both have 3 layers it will be 75 vs 51.


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