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Neil deGrasse Tyson or 'Why argument from authority is invalid' - September 22, 2014, 10:42 AM



"Watch out, guys. We're dealing with my credibility over here."


SYNOPSIS: A writer discovered a failed effort by a fellow journalist to verify a quote presented by Neil deGrasse Tyson in one of his recent public talks (1,2). Further investigation revealed that Tyson may have fabricated several quotes that he used to push his points in his talks (3,4). Now attempts to add these incidents to the deGrasse Tyson Wikipedia page have been stifled by editors (5). The only argument offered in defense of deGrasse Tyson's fraud and the efforts to silence the backlash is that the ends justify the means. In other words, when attacking the Right, disparaging religion, or refuting anyone who challenges the dominant paradigm, it is ok to be dishonest. Why? While it may be a matter of speculation, Robert Tacinski offers a cogent reason:
What to do? Construct an alternative narrative in which the political right is the modern-day successor to the Inquisition and the political left is the inheritor of a tradition of bold free-thinking that goes all the way back to Giordano Bruno. Even if you have to fudge a few facts to make it work (6).
COMMENTARY: These frauds really ought to put deGrasse Tyson out of business. Why? Because he has one thing to do: tell the truth. He failed. This is why argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate) is an informal fallacy in logic and reasoning. No human authority is beyond reproach.
A is a leading authority on cosmology
A makes a truth claim in cosmology
A's claim must be true.
The problem becomes particularly apparent when we find out that A lies. Not only did deGrasse Tyson lie, but he did so within and as part of his effort to promote his authority. Had he lied about stealing a cookie from the cafeteria, that would be embarrassing. Since he lied in his effort as a figure of public trust to promote his position as a figure of public trust, his credibility as such ought to vanish completely.

Alas, his credibility won't vanish because for the kind of people that bow to him, these lies are acceptable. Why? Because these people do not understand science well enough to realize that scientists have only one precious thing: their integrity.

Me? I never trusted this guy one bit.


REFERENCES:

(1) Super Scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson Doesn't Understand Statistics

(2) Did Neil deGrasse Tyson Just Try To Justify Blatant Quote Fabrication?

(3) Another Day, Another Quote Fabricated By Neil deGrasse Tyson

(4) Bush's 9/11 Speechwriters: We Don't Remember That Tyson Quote At All

(5) Why Is Wikipedia Scrubbing All References To Neil Tyson's Fabrication?

(6) Neil deGrasse Tyson and the Metaphysical Dilemma of the Left


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September 22, 2014, 10:48 AM

I remember going over this in catholic school regarding the infallibility of the priesthood. They can embezzle money, molest boys, and give inaccurate advice on everything from marriage to climate change... But they are never wrong regarding matters of faith. Never. God speaks through them.


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I remember going over this in catholic school regarding the infallibility of the priesthood. They can embezzle money, molest boys, and give inaccurate advice on everything from marriage to climate change... But they are never wrong regarding matters of faith. Never. God speaks through them.
You identified two of the many heresies of the RCC: Elevated position of priesthood and duality in the code of conduct. Secular Humanism has its priests as well, and among them is deGrasse Tyson. They too are offered special exemptions in their behaviors and enjoy elite status.


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In case anyone takes issue with the sources, here is a link to commentary by a rather outspoken atheist on the Left:

If We Can’t Trust Neil deGrasse Tyson, Who Can We Trust?

"As skeptics, we should all be interested in what Davis says." --Hermant Mehta


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1. We should always be skeptics.

2. Trust but verify.

In other words, think for yourself. Don't just quote and paraphrase others. They might be wrong as well.


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What did he lie about exactly though?

I've seen several of his talks/speeches and he has always said, as a Physicist, he doesn't believe anyone without empirical evidence, proof, and facts - nor should anyone believe him.
"Because I saw it" and "because I said so" have never been meritorious qualifications for him.

Scientists, especially at the elite level, have giant throbbing egos. It's the I'm the biggest swinging dic... er, brain in the room syndrome.

And those egos want to be right - sometimes at any cost and they will bend to point of fracture, truth to fit their theory or postulation.



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how about moving this to:
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Fabricating a quotation is fraud. It's dishonest, lying, whatever you wish to call it. It's fraud, just like it would be fraud for me to make up some numbers supporting the idea that if we ban Dutch from this site, the risk for the remaining male site members of developing frontal temporal dimentia decreases by 30%.


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...he doesn't believe anyone without imperial evidence, proof, and facts...
Haven't spent any time watching anything with NdGT (ok i don't watch anything because i have no tv) but I'm pretty sure he said "empirical."


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Haven't spent any time watching anything with NdGT (ok i don't watch anything because i have no tv) but I'm pretty sure he said "empirical."
Foiled by auto-correct.


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You identified two of the many heresies of the RCC: Elevated position of priesthood and duality in the code of conduct. Secular Humanism has its priests as well, and among them is deGrasse Tyson. They too are offered special exemptions in their behaviors and enjoy elite status.

Actually, he made two false statements while claiming to speak for the RCC. So, that puts this right in league (allegedly) with Dr. Tyson, does it not?

Before we go spouting off what we heard from someone with an axe to grind as truth, we might want to check our facts. A close read of the Catechism dispels all of the popular rumors about RCC "corruption." That people still believe some of this only supports the notion that people do not want facts; they want a narrative that agrees with their personal opinion.

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1. We should always be skeptics.

2. Trust but verify.

In other words, think for yourself. Don't just quote and paraphrase others. They might be wrong as well.
If only this were a common practice, we would have fewer problems with fraudulent charities, corrupt politicians, unscrupulous businesses, specious lawsuits, and general chicanery.
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Actually, he made two false statements while claiming to speak for the RCC. So, that puts this right in league (allegedly) with Dr. Tyson, does it not?

Before we go spouting off what we heard from someone with an axe to grind as truth, we might want to check our facts. A close read of the Catechism dispels all of the popular rumors about RCC "corruption." That people still believe some of this only supports the notion that people do not want facts; they want a narrative that agrees with their personal opinion.

Carry on.
The elevated position of the clergy in Roman Catholicism is heretical, according to a purely scriptural-based theology. I didn't say that, Martin Luther said that. The Catechism has no authority outside of the RCC.


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