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North Korea threatens to fire nuclear missile - October 10, 2006, 10:16 AM

North Korea threatens to fire nuclear missile

POSTED: 10:35 a.m. EDT, October 10, 2006

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NEW: Report says North Korea may fire nuclear missile
NEW: Bolton says U.S. won't respond to North Korean threats
NEW: U.S. military maintains low profile across eastern Pacific
More U.N. discussions on sanctions planned after reported test of nuclear device

(CNN) -- North Korea could launch a nuclear missile unless the U.S. sits down for face-to-face talks, an unnamed North Korean official was quoted as saying Tuesday.

The world, meanwhile, was lining up against the reclusive regime of Kim Jong Il, with even longtime ally China saying Monday's reported nuclear test had harmed relations. The U.N. Security Council prepared to further discuss sanctions on Tuesday.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted a North Korean official as saying. "That depends on how the U.S. will act."
The official said the nuclear test was "an expression of our intention to face the United States across the negotiating table," reported Yonhap, which didn't say how or where it contacted the official, or why no name was given, according to an Associated Press report.
Despite the reported threat, the North's missiles are not likely to be capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, and a test firing of an alleged long-range missile failed in July. (Watch what experts think about missile strikes -- 2:11 )

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said Tuesday threats from Pyongyang would not work.

"This is the way North Korea typically negotiates -- by threat and intimidation," Bolton said. "It's worked for them before. It's not going to work this time."

Doubts even remained Tuesday that Pyongyang conducted a nuclear test.
That's because Western measurements showed an explosion equivalent to about 500 metric tons of TNT, which a senior U.S. intelligence community official said was unusually small for a nuclear blast.

By comparison, nuclear tests in 1998 by India and Pakistan were about 24 to 50 times as powerful, according to the Federation of American Scientists. (Nuclear nations)

Despite those doubts, North Korea's claim of a nuclear test may be enough to bring U.N. sanctions. U.N. Security Council members will resume closed-door discussions Tuesday of U.S.-proposed sanctions.

The U.S. proposals include cargo inspections and an embargo on goods that could be used in Pyongyang's missile and nuclear programs.
Bolton said Tuesday sanctions would be written to harm Kim's government, not the people of North Korea.

"Our draft resolution, in fact, carves out explicit exemptions for humanitarian supplies. ... We will try to keep that flowing to the North Korean people who need it," Bolton said.

Any sanctions would need the support of Russia and China, which hold veto power in the U.N. body.

While the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman ruled out any military actions, a South Korean diplomat visiting China said Beijing appeared ready to back some form of sanctions, AP reported.

"The nuclear test will undoubtedly exert a negative impact on our relations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, Liu Jianchao, said in a report from The Associated Press. Liu said Monday's test was done "flagrantly, and in disregard of the international community's shared opposition."

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun said his country would reconsider its policy of engagement with the North, according to a report from the Reuters news service.

Australia said it would impose various measures on North Korea, including curtailing visas.

And Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Tokyo may impose sanctions on North Korea even if it turns out the test was a ruse, AP reported, indicating it may ban North Korean imports and international travel by North Korean officials.

President Bush on Monday insisted the United States "remains committed to diplomacy" to settle the dispute. (Watch Bush on why North Korea's move poses a threat -- 2:34 )

U.S. military units in the region were keeping a low profile, AP reported, with officials cautiously avoiding any comments that might provoke the North.

"We are monitoring the situation," Master Sgt. Terence Peck, a spokesman for the U.S. Forces, Japan, said on Monday. On Tuesday, officials said they had been instructed to refer all questions to the State Department.
CNN's Sohn Jie-Ae, Elise Labott, Jamie McIntyre, Liz Neisloss and Barbara contributed to this report

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October 10, 2006, 10:28 AM

Good read Matt First if North Korea did fire that missile it would have a global effect on our economy. It would be bad news for the U.S. but Bush is not doing anything about this?? And the stock market would crumble Now for the traders like me it would be very bad
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What can he do about it?
Every N. Korean facility is underground... most under mountains so even Dasiy busters can't get to them...

We can run scorched earth campaigns over the surface level populace, but all that's going to do is result in a bunch of dead civilians...


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Good read Matt First if North Korea did fire that missile it would have a global effect on our economy. It would be bad news for the U.S. but Bush is not doing anything about this?? And the stock market would crumble Now for the traders like me it would be very bad
blue chips would stabilize and move though
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October 10, 2006, 10:52 AM

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What can he do about it?
Every N. Korean facility is underground... most under mountains so even Dasiy busters can't get to them...

We can run scorched earth campaigns over the surface level populace, but all that's going to do is result in a bunch of dead civilians...
Daisy buster? odd combo of "daisy cutter" and "bunker buster"?

clarification, a daisy cutter is a airburst weapon (point detonating standoff fuse) used for clearing trees, people, minefields, etc. it has effectively zero capability against any type of buried target (same with the MOAB)--for those you need a penetrator (I2000, GBU-28, etc)

Yao, I believe you are correct in your assessment, but penetrator munition or bunker buster would be a more appropriate munitions choice


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Daisy buster? odd combo of "daisy cutter" and "bunker buster"?

clarification, a daisy cutter is a airburst weapon (point detonating standoff fuse) used for clearing trees, people, minefields, etc. it has effectively zero capability against any type of buried target (same with the MOAB)--for those you need a penetrator (I2000, GBU-28, etc)

Yao, I believe you are correct in your assessment, but penetrator munition or bunker buster would be a more appropriate munitions choice
Feh... I wasn't a load toad...
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yup, deep buried structures are a pain the goat-ass, thats why DARPA always has a BAA out on innovative ideas on taking those bitches out.

yao, ask me sometime about some unclass work I did for them on this topic--its freakin cra-zy


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Bush is not doing anything about this??
This kind of thinking sure does sound familiar. *cough* Iraq *cough*
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yup, deep buried structures are a pain the goat-ass, thats why DARPA always has a BAA out on innovative ideas on taking those bitches out.

yao, ask me sometime about some unclass work I did for them on this topic--its freakin cra-zy
Sounds like the perfect conversation to have at the spot to make everyone else look at us funnier than normal...


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You know Bush has his finger on that trigger just waiting to squeeze. Finally, a real reason to destroy a country/dictator. I guess we will see what happens.


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I find it hard to belive they tested the weapon 2 days ago, it is going to be a long time before they are able to make a warhead that can be fitted on a missile. There are so many things this administration did that got us to where we are today, Before someone says I am just bashing bush look at the facts. The Clinton admistration was actually able to turn back north Korea's nuclear program with DIRECT diplomacy.I do not understand this "we have a problem with your country but we refuse to talk to you". I think even a second grader knows that is not a way to solve problems. On top of that Bush named 3 countries on the axis of evil, only one that got invaded was one without a nuclear program, If I was the leader of DPRK as crazy as he is it would seem going nuclear is a good deterrent. And the fact we are stuck in Iraq would make it clear to everyone ummmmmmm lets see north korea and Iran that we do not have a military option. Don't even get me started on A.Q Khan and why we are not going after him, thats my rant for the day
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And the stock market would crumble Now for the traders like me it would be very bad
I'm not sure what is funnier. The fact that you think the stock market would crumble, the fact that you think that the stock market crumbling would be bad for traders, or the fact that you call yourself a trader.
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October 10, 2006, 11:25 AM

There's a lot more to it than that.

N. Korea wants to have face to face talks with the US. And the US only. They don't consider S. Korea to be an independent nation, but a US state under occupation.

The US is willing to have 4 way talks. N. Korea, China, S. Korea and the United States. N. Korea finds this to be unacceptable.

As for their nuclear program being hard to believe? I don't know, it's been thirty years in the making... with 50 year old science... not that complicated... especially with technological backing from both China and Russia.

As far as a war in N. Korea or Iran... you're an idiot if you think we could simply "waltz" into either country. America isn't ready for the kind of bloodshed that would come from a war in Iran. They have one of the largest and strongest military forces in the world, not to mention the backing of the UAN which includes Syria... another military heathen....

A war in N. Korea is inplausable as well. WE need THEIR troops to come to us, not vice versa. They are dug into hardened facilities deep under mountains. There is very little we can do to them without them mobilizing their forces first.

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You know Bush has his finger on that trigger just waiting to squeeze. Finally, a real reason to destroy a country/dictator. I guess we will see what happens.
You, sir... are an idiot.


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October 10, 2006, 11:36 AM

YaoMatt, I agree with most of what you say,North korean Nuclear technology is A.q Khan and Pakistans work. Having a Nuclear wepon and making it in to a warhead are two differnt things. According to most experts the "bomb" they have is crude at best. And none of the Scud variations they have are capable of launching them. And I agree with you 100% War is not an option.We would have to reinstate the draft and say goodbye to South Korea and Japan first. I do not understand why we would not have face to face talks with them. One thing is clear the people who are going to suffer the most are the common people of North Korea. Sanctions are going to starve them, I doubt a lunitic like Mr kim would miss a meal. This is such a clusterF**K
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