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And yes this is horrible but how many people in this day and age run when shit happens and how many help? People that have the training yes would and should help but most people do not know how to confront their own panic of flight and really help out. And for those that say I would have helped really would you? Have you ever been in a situation of fight or flight and stayed to fight? How many of us on here would have the nerve to try to pull him up knowing that you could get pulled in front of that train also?
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Cuz it takes training now to yank a dude back onto a platform
The training he's referring to is conditioning your reaction so that you run toward trouble and not away from it or freeze in place, not knowing what to do. It's counterintuitive to the average person's natural reaction. We all tend to freeze or flee when trouble occurs.
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cowards, all of them

We have a whole WSHH generation of this crap to look forward to

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"Its disgusting that the camera man should make money out of a crime that he could have actually helped not occur."


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The training he's referring to is conditioning your reaction so that you run toward trouble and not away from it or freeze in place, not knowing what to do. It's counterintuitive to the average person's natural reaction. We all tend to freeze or flee when trouble occurs.
yet most people run to a fire... We love to see the neighbor's place burn


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The training he's referring to is conditioning your reaction so that you run toward trouble and not away from it or freeze in place, not knowing what to do. It's counterintuitive to the average person's natural reaction. We all tend to freeze or flee when trouble occurs.
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yet most people run to a fire... We love to see the neighbor's place burn
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yet most people run to a fire... We love to see the neighbor's place burn
I like to watch from inside the burning house. Then jump out the 2nd floor for effect.


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The training he's referring to is conditioning your reaction so that you run toward trouble and not away from it or freeze in place, not knowing what to do. It's counterintuitive to the average person's natural reaction. We all tend to freeze or flee when trouble occurs.
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The training he's referring to is conditioning your reaction so that you run toward trouble and not away from it or freeze in place, not knowing what to do. It's counterintuitive to the average person's natural reaction. We all tend to freeze or flee when trouble occurs.
Yeah, some people freeze in the panic of the moment, but you'd think that in a generally populated place, there would be someone who had the ability to react. Oh, right, someone did react: he pulled out his camera, turned it on, and started clicking away.

Besides, I thought that 'freezing' was more of a reaction to fight-or-flight where one perceives sudden danger. You'd think that this would be diminished in a situation where someone else is in danger where you don't have to first deal with your own survival instinct.
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No it is not.

Well by definition it is but not everyone can handle doing things that take a strong will.


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I thought we were cool on hookers and beer too?

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No it is not.

Well by definition it is but not everyone can handle doing things that take a strong will.
Right. And those that cannot, are cowards.

If you can't be bothered to at least ATTEMPT to save someone from death, you're a coward and a waste of space.


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Why didn't you give a dollar? You could have saved that kid in Africa from starving to death yesterday?
Completely different scenario and circumstances. One is a massive ongoing problem involving millions of people across the world and the other is a single instance where a little effort could likely have saved this poor man's life.

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No, as a bystander, you have no legal obligation to jump in and save someone's life. A moral obligation, perhaps, but that's it.

Apparently, the victim was unemployed and drunk, so people probably just thought it was two bums fighting and didn't want to get involved. Homeless people have "subhuman" status among society. Their lives are worth a little less to the collective.

I definitely would've pulled the old man out of there. It would have been epic.
I don't think he looked homeless based on the pictures I saw. And just cuz he was drinking doesn't mean that he was drunk. I'm not arguing with you, just saying that those aren't excuses for attempting to help save someone's life.

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And yes this is horrible but how many people in this day and age run when shit happens and how many help? People that have the training yes would and should help but most people do not know how to confront their own panic of flight and really help out. And for those that say I would have helped really would you? Have you ever been in a situation of fight or flight and stayed to fight? How many of us on here would have the nerve to try to pull him up knowing that you could get pulled in front of that train also?
I don't call it courage but I always step in to act when I feel it's necessary, moreso because I know that it's unlikely that anyone else will. I've driven in the opposite direction on the Beltway to help a car that I watched flip, I've parked on the shoulder and dodged traffic on the other side of the highway to help a biker that crashed. I've always been compelled to help someone that may need it, if even as a witness.


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This is being argued on reddit as well. Someone posted a pic of the guy cut up by the train.

The leading argument for why someone didnt do anything was because the time from the guy getting pushed to a train showing up was pretty short. So now you are talking about the shock value and no time to process correctly what to do. 2nd I think folks were afraid that if they tried to pull him out with the train coming, that they themselves would get pulled in and killed.

Obviously armchair quarterback its easier to make a decision. But I can understand how this would happen. It doesnt make it right, nor does this reasoning hold a lot of value if the guy was able to take a pic in the time of the train coming...


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December 5, 2012, 09:13 AM

That's my biggest gripe. If you have time to take a pic, you had time to at least ATTEMPT to pull the dude up.

As for the "you could get sucked in too" argument.... yeah, i guess you could fall too, or be pulled in if you couldn't pull him up in time.

I still believe it's important to make the attempt.


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