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Office Politics - November 9, 2006, 01:24 PM

Here is my issue:

I've just started workign at the new job and it's become evident pretty quickly that these guys are in total chaos compaired to where I came from. The reason for that is the place I came from was much more established and much bigger. I know exactly how to make the process run smooth and right and increase productivity 10 fold. However this means revamping EVERY department to even out the work loads. Here is the rub:

1) It's pretty obvious that the most senior person in my department feels threatened by my knowlege and experience so running this through her is pretty much a waste of air. I also get the feeling she'll try to take credit for the work if I wrote a new plan and just gave it to her. I've already proven several times that what she is "teaching" can be done a much better way which only seemed to piss her off.

2) It seems to me that the my direct manager is not a fan of change she didn't think of and shoots down most anything I suggest. She is starting to "train" us all in ways to be more productive but it's useless training since it doesn't work. I know it doesn't work because I've been there when it didn't with my other company.

This company has a great foundation and ton of room for growth and potential and I'd love to help get it going in that direction!

Now I'm not Mr. Know It All but I've been doing this long enough, with much higher volume and a much ffaster pace I guess my question is how do I get the plan and all the ideas out there and into the hands of the right people without over stepping my bounds and pissing people off?

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November 9, 2006, 01:33 PM

Dont' make waves when you first get there... you're still an outsider.

By all means, hit the ground running... but get a feel for the people first. Present ideas in a constructive, non-threatening manner. Right now, they don't know you or trust you and may feel that you're speaking out of line as "the new guy"...

You were brought in as a worker bee, not management, remember that... you can subtly change some things and slowly bring up things that would make things easier until you're more acclimated to the new environment.

Or, you can write an all out proposal on changing things and submit it to your DIRECT management... and let them parouse it.

Or... things may run the way they do because of things that happen occasionally. You haven't been there long enough to know everything about the job site... give it some time, you may find that some of the things are done for a reason... or that you only think they're hectic because you're used to doing it another way...

Give it time at first, IMO.


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November 9, 2006, 01:34 PM

First off, I am not sure how long you have been there, but you really need to spend a few weeks/months assesing. You can't go in to a new environment with the "we did it this way at my last job". Even if it's a better process, your new co-workers will label you as a know it all.

I just made a big career change myself and have been laying really low. Slowly and surely I will start laying out my processes. Showing my co workers how my experiance can benefit them and what I bring to the table, while also complimenting their strengths and what they bring to the table. I hate office politics myself, but if you don't play you sit on the bench.

You need to turn the screw of change slowly in most cases.

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One thing I found that works with my stepmother is I'll describe something in MY experience..."In MY experience, this is what happened to me and this is what I did to solve it." Then I'll invite her to consider if this solution will work for her. It's nonthreatening and allows her to think she thought if it herself.


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November 9, 2006, 01:38 PM

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Dont' make waves when you first get there... you're still an outsider.

By all means, hit the ground running... but get a feel for the people first. Present ideas in a constructive, non-threatening manner. Right now, they don't know you or trust you and may feel that you're speaking out of line as "the new guy"...

You were brought in as a worker bee, not management, remember that... you can subtly change some things and slowly bring up things that would make things easier until you're more acclimated to the new environment.

Or, you can write an all out proposal on changing things and submit it to your DIRECT management... and let them parouse it.

Or... things may run the way they do because of things that happen occasionally. You haven't been there long enough to know everything about the job site... give it some time, you may find that some of the things are done for a reason... or that you only think they're hectic because you're used to doing it another way...

Give it time at first, IMO.
Exactly my point. I don't wanna tell everyone they are fuckin up. The current job does they exact same thing my other job does and they have even said they want to get to that level.

They brought me in paying much more then even the most senior person. They had to have done that for a reason and I don't think it was to let things ride in their current state of complete chaos.

Just don't know how to make it happen.


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November 9, 2006, 01:50 PM

Companies work differently and have varying "paces" in which changes are made. I've had people come into my firm from larger companies with higher levels of experience and offer great ideas from the moment they stepped in the door. Thats not always well received regardless how good the ideas are. Try to remember that others before you may have had great ideas but ran into constraints or difficulty in trying to turn those ideas into action. Change is often resisted, its almost natural instinct, so try to stay cool, calm and collected at all times.

Whats more important....that your ideas (or others) are implemented to help improve the company ....or that you get credit for changes you suggested?

There are subtle ways to manipulate people to get them to do what you want. If done appropriately, you can even have them thinking it was their idea to begin with which usually returns more favorable cooperation.

Corporate polictics can be an ugly game but a game in which you must master to ensure longevity and progression in the game.

I wouldn't try to create too many waves just starting no matter how bad things may be...unless you were hired specifically to do so.

I would suggest trying your best to work within your "chain of command". Rather than harping on how bad things are and how they could be better. Try smaller steps and present the changes as "new, innovative ideas".

Just a few suggestions. I could go on...but it could take all day. If you want chat about it in more detail...just hit me up brutha.



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It would seem I worded this wrong.

I don't mean I want to change everyone and everything right this moment. This was more of a "as time progresses" kind of thing.


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It would seem I worded this wrong.

I don't mean I want to change everyone and everything right this moment. This was more of a "as time progresses" kind of thing.


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November 9, 2006, 01:56 PM

If you're new...wait until you have been around and interacted more with your co-workers. Once they get to know you and you've "proven yourself" to them perhaps you can make suggestions.

Typically, a new person coming in wanting to change things or point out that they are not working efficiently is often constrewed as arrogance.

Like everyone said...just chill and get to know everyone then slowly work in suggestions.

Otherwise, you'll alienate yourself and potentially limit your growth witin that organization.


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If you're new...wait until you have been around and interacted more with your co-workers. Once they get to know you and you've "proven yourself" to them perhaps you can make suggestions.

Typically, a new person coming in wanting to change things or point out that they are not working efficiently is often constrewed as arrogance.

Like everyone said...just chill and get to know everyone then slowly work in suggestions.

Otherwise, you'll alienate yourself and potentially limit your growth witin that organization.
Again I agree with the take it slow policy.

I guess I started this thread because they have requested that I rewriting office policies and procedures for my department. The problem with that is in order for my department to use what I wrote other departments would need to change.

I just have not figured out how far to take it and who to take it all to.


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November 9, 2006, 02:38 PM

Yeah...exactly what everyone is telling you. Take it slow and don't do anything to make waves at first.

Get the lay of the land....wait until you are assimilated into the work environment....and slowly bring ideas up. If it wont kill you and all you want is a better work flow, why not let your boss take the credit. It doesn't matter as long as the work flow is improved right? Or are you one of those people that wants it all. (Only in the case of the manager getting the credit and the bonus...then that is wrong.)

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Again I agree with the take it slow policy.

I guess I started this thread because they have requested that I rewriting office policies and procedures for my department. The problem with that is in order for my department to use what I wrote other departments would need to change.

I just have not figured out how far to take it and who to take it all to.
If that's the case, get all the other managers involved in the process...instead of dictating changes to their department. Show them the direction you would like to take and move forward with their input and approval.



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Did you get enough good answers yet?

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