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The Officer Tased Him 31 Times; the Sheriff Called His Death an Accident
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Unhappy The Officer Tased Him 31 Times; the Sheriff Called His Death an Accident - December 13, 2017, 08:42 PM

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/11...h-an-accident/


did not know you could die from a taser.
i wonder why he was running from the police. Also wonder if he was on a cruiser or sport bike.


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did not know you could die from a taser.
Yup, that's why users are supposed to pass a thorough training and be certified. Nothing wrong with requiring that for a potentially lethal weapon.

There are departments that can find the money to buy used/surplus armored vehicles from the military (remember civil asset forfeiture?) but then they say can't afford training for officers.


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December 14, 2017, 09:03 AM

Could have been a sportbike or a cruiser. I've seen people get away on a cruiser and people with sportbikes get caught.

You most certainly can DIE from being tased although its not THAT common.

If that is correct....well over 2 minutes of tasing...why not just have the punishment be for the officer to endure the same exact thing?

Over 2 minutes must seem like an eternity.


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December 14, 2017, 09:07 AM

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did not know you could die from a taser.
i wonder why he was running from the police. Also wonder if he was on a cruiser or sport bike.
This is why Tasers are called "Less Than Lethal" weapons, not Non-Lethal.

Anything which interferes with the brain's nueromuscular electrical signals and central nervous system can cause death. Not to mention sending 50,000 volts of electricity through a body doesn't exactly promote healthy life function.

There is no accident when you hit someone 31x with a taser jolt. Taser's are preprogrammed to release a 5-second burst which each trigger pull. He gave this guy over 2 minutes of ride the lightning. This was an extra judicial execution.



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December 14, 2017, 11:28 AM

Whomever pulled the taser trigger must have been pissed he ran.


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this is why police get ambushed...
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this is why police get ambushed...
Really.

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When do all the white people riots start?

I always take all of these reports with a grain of salt. Hard to believe this is anything but an unjustified killing, but I need to see the reports. I don't trust anything on the news to be unbiased.

Do they have logs on the tasker? What's the excuse for the number of activations?
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When do all the white people riots start?

I always take all of these reports with a grain of salt. Hard to believe this is anything but an unjustified killing, but I need to see the reports. I don't trust anything on the news to be unbiased.

Do they have logs on the taser? What's the excuse for the number of activations?
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I'm gonna go get the papers get the papers.


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Squeezing the taser trigger more than 3x means you, as an officer, do not have control of the suspect or the unit has malfunctioned - which means it is time to abandon the platform and progress to other less than lethal methods.

There is no excuse to give someone 2 minutes of 50,000 volt shocks.

Had this happened in a theater of war, it would be considered torture and against the Geneva Convention.



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Squeezing the taser trigger more than 3x means you, as an officer, do not have control of the suspect or the unit has malfunctioned - which means it is time to abandon the platform and progress to other less than lethal methods.

There is no excuse to give someone 2 minutes of 50,000 volt shocks.

Had this happened in a theater of war, it would be considered torture and against the Geneva Convention.
Don't know the details but personally, if someone wasn't going down from Taser hits and I perceived them as a threat my progression would be to see how they react to some 45ACP.

Another non-lethal tactic? Like what? Some CS? What if that doesn't work? Wrestle someone who just took a Tasering and CS and is still standing? Ummm, no thanks.

Torture is an easy word to bandy about, lethal force right from the start would eliminate any claims of torture after the fact though.


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Don't know the details but personally, if someone wasn't going down from Taser hits and I perceived them as a threat my progression would be to see how they react to some 45ACP.

Another non-lethal tactic? Like what? Some CS? What if that doesn't work? Wrestle someone who just took a Tasering and CS and is still standing? Ummm, no thanks.

Torture is an easy word to bandy about, lethal force right from the start would eliminate any claims of torture after the fact though.
And that's part of the thinking problem we have in the American style of policing.

"I can't get this un-armed guy to comply with my orders and he won't stop resisting - he must be a threat. Better dump a mag in him, then he'll comply. Less paperwork anyway."




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Don't know the details but personally, if someone wasn't going down from Taser hits and I perceived them as a threat my progression would be to see how they react to some 45ACP.

Another non-lethal tactic? Like what? Some CS? What if that doesn't work? Wrestle someone who just took a Tasering and CS and is still standing? Ummm, no thanks.

Torture is an easy word to bandy about, lethal force right from the start would eliminate any claims of torture after the fact though.
As reported so far - He was on the ground, one arm underneath his body. He did not respond to commands to show his hands. (he was already unconscious) That he did not respond was ruled an acceptable reason to keep pulling that trigger.

Maybe you should have kept reading?



I am in favor of making the workplace safer but if you're so fearful that you will kill an unconscious man then maybe police work isn't for you and you should never be allowed to carry a weapon.


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As reported so far - He was on the ground, one arm underneath his body. He did not respond to commands to show his hands. (he was already unconscious) That he did not respond was ruled an acceptable reason to keep pulling that trigger.

Maybe you should have kept reading?



I am in favor of making the workplace safer but if you're so fearful that you will kill an unconscious man then maybe police work isn't for you and you should never be allowed to carry a weapon.


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Rest assured I have no intent of ever being an LEO. It's a dangerous and largely thankless job, more so in recent times than ever. Yes, it sounds like the cop may have made a bad call. That can happen when Adrenalin spikes due to some dumb ass deciding to run.

If there was a cover up following the incident that certainly deserves investigation and prosecution. It's one thing to make a bad call in the heat of the moment, another thing entirely to attempt to cover it up. That is where Law Enforcement screws the pooch and erodes public confidence in them.

On the other hand, how many stories of cops going above the call of duty to help someone get posted on here? Yeah... nothing but crickets. Is that because it never happens? Nope. It's because that would run contrary to all the "righteous" indignation that's so popular these days.


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