DCSportbikes.net  
» Help Support .NET!
DCSportbikes Premier Membership for 25$ per year. Discounts! Click here for full information.

Now available in the .NET Shop:



Get your DCSBN Gear!
» Shoutbox
Sorry, only registered users have the ability to use our real-time shoutbox to chat with other members.

Register now, it's free!
» Online Users: 503
2 members and 501 guests
2blueyam, drnknmnky13
Most users ever online was 4,519, September 2, 2015 at 03:26 AM.
Go Back   DCSportbikes.net > Non-Sportbike Forums > Non-Sportbike Chat

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools
An opinion on US healthcare vs everyone else.
Unread
  (#1)
Site ADMIN
 
spud's Avatar
 
Posts: 16,846
Join Date: September 30, 2002
Location: Lake Ridge
An opinion on US healthcare vs everyone else. - September 17, 2013, 11:17 AM

Interesting viewpoint. 7 minute video

Discuss:

His First 4 Sentences Are Interesting. The 5th Blew My Mind. And Made Me A Little Sick.



This post was prepared as a service to the DCSportbikes.net community. Neither the DCSportbikes.net ADMINS nor any of the moderators, makes any warranty, expressed or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, product, link, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by DCSportbikes.net. The opinions of this author expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the DCSportbikes.net community, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
__________________________________________________ ________


Alex
13 Honda Fury

Last edited by spud; September 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM..
  Facebook Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to spud Send a message via MSN to spud  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#2)
I'm a llama again!
 
Slider's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,318
Join Date: April 12, 2007
Location: Alexandria
September 17, 2013, 11:31 AM

We pay for the health care for the rest of the world.


Yeah I am old enough to know better. Thing is, I just don't care.
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#3)
Site ADMIN
 
spud's Avatar
 
Posts: 16,846
Join Date: September 30, 2002
Location: Lake Ridge
September 17, 2013, 11:33 AM

did you watch the video?


This post was prepared as a service to the DCSportbikes.net community. Neither the DCSportbikes.net ADMINS nor any of the moderators, makes any warranty, expressed or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, product, link, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by DCSportbikes.net. The opinions of this author expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the DCSportbikes.net community, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
__________________________________________________ ________


Alex
13 Honda Fury
  Facebook Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to spud Send a message via MSN to spud  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#4)
I'm a llama again!
 
Slider's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,318
Join Date: April 12, 2007
Location: Alexandria
September 17, 2013, 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spud View Post
did you watch the video?

Yeah I agree with him.


Yeah I am old enough to know better. Thing is, I just don't care.
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#5)
Eddie would go ...
 
Dutch's Avatar
 
Posts: 10,507
Join Date: April 16, 2006
September 17, 2013, 11:54 AM

Yup, known and good points presented well

Coverage here sucks - insurance companies are in the business of not paying which leads to litigation which hey we can now lawyer up and waste more money

Found this to be a good piece
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/he...nted=all&_r=1&


Quote:
Originally Posted by spud View Post
No one gives a fuck about your puff out your chest bravado.

Last edited by Dutch; September 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM..
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#6)
No more 1050 :(
 
drz1050's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,740
Join Date: June 12, 2011
Location: upstate NY
September 17, 2013, 11:54 AM

Cliff notes and/ or transcript?

No sound at work..
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#7)
Site ADMIN
 
spud's Avatar
 
Posts: 16,846
Join Date: September 30, 2002
Location: Lake Ridge
September 17, 2013, 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by drz1050 View Post
Cliff notes and/ or transcript?

No sound at work..
All that shit you hear about lawsuits, usa obesity and such accounts for a minimal amount of impact to cause higher prices.

The one advantage the other countries have with the govt in control is a single point of negotiation. He used hip replacement as an example. Put out a bid for a SAFE, reliable hip at the lowest cost wins the contract to supply every hip replacement needed in that country.

In the US, no bargaining advantage. Someone will pay $7 or $175 / month on a medication if it means they will live longer. They do it regardless.. They HAVE to.


This post was prepared as a service to the DCSportbikes.net community. Neither the DCSportbikes.net ADMINS nor any of the moderators, makes any warranty, expressed or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, product, link, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by DCSportbikes.net. The opinions of this author expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the DCSportbikes.net community, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
__________________________________________________ ________


Alex
13 Honda Fury
  Facebook Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to spud Send a message via MSN to spud  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#8)
opossum puncher
 
zx6rfool's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,827
Join Date: June 9, 2003
Location: Winchester
September 17, 2013, 12:05 PM

I like his shows, Mental Floss etc.


-
Attack Life! It's going to kill you anyway.

08 Z1000

Go Hokies!
  Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to zx6rfool  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#9)
Site ADMIN
 
spud's Avatar
 
Posts: 16,846
Join Date: September 30, 2002
Location: Lake Ridge
September 17, 2013, 12:06 PM

ive never heard of this guy. I like his wit..Pretty smart.


This post was prepared as a service to the DCSportbikes.net community. Neither the DCSportbikes.net ADMINS nor any of the moderators, makes any warranty, expressed or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, product, link, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by DCSportbikes.net. The opinions of this author expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the DCSportbikes.net community, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
__________________________________________________ ________


Alex
13 Honda Fury
  Facebook Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to spud Send a message via MSN to spud  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#10)
Derpentine Dealer
 
OrangeShirtDude's Avatar
 
Posts: 12,465
Join Date: April 6, 2007
Location: "Going Bonkers"
September 17, 2013, 12:10 PM

This guy misses the mark on the root cause of high costs. Insurance companies negotiate with providers to accept "provider write-offs" when providing to their insured patients (i.e. within versus out of network status). Therefore, when the provider bills for services rendered, they receive pennies on the dollar. I'm not certain but I suspect that the rest or at least a portion thereof can be written off their taxes. Still, the providers have to pay their employees and keep the lights on so they over-bill in order to collect enough to do so. The insurance companies collect your money and let out as little as possible to the providers. Meanwhile, an uninsured person, unless they negotiate with the provider themselves, is billed the same amount as are the insurance companies, but the uninsured person cannot pay pennies on the dollar. They pay dollars on the dollar. The reason healthcare is so expensive is because it is artificially so.

We have known this for years and yet no one seems to know this.


How's my posting? Please direct all concerns and inquiries to DCSBN's chief content manager, Hollywood, via PM.
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#11)
Site ADMIN
 
spud's Avatar
 
Posts: 16,846
Join Date: September 30, 2002
Location: Lake Ridge
September 17, 2013, 12:24 PM

well the fuckers also tell the hospital to say they are charging a higher price than they really are so everyone gets the $$.

I see what your are saying OSD, but a single negotiation point would make a larger impact.


This post was prepared as a service to the DCSportbikes.net community. Neither the DCSportbikes.net ADMINS nor any of the moderators, makes any warranty, expressed or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, product, link, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by DCSportbikes.net. The opinions of this author expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the DCSportbikes.net community, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
__________________________________________________ ________


Alex
13 Honda Fury
  Facebook Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to spud Send a message via MSN to spud  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#12)
I came I saw I shat mysef
 
jron's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,068
Join Date: July 21, 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
September 17, 2013, 12:32 PM

Another thing that other countries have that help contain cost that we don't have is packaged pricing for medical procedures. A hip replacement costs X. Period. They often tend not to have every single little thing broken down and itemized.. 3 liters of plasma, 5 days hospital room, 5 days use of morphine pump, 3 liters of morphine (hehe, I WISH), anesthesiologist, use of OR for 4 hours, on and on and on and on... Ok, final cost of everything $135,000.. Nope, hip replacement, $13,451.50, please pay on your way out. bye bye..

And almost all other countries have longer hospital stays. A friend's mother in Japan just had a hip replacement last week.. In the USA an average stay for hip replacement is 4 to 5 days. In Japan its almost a MONTH (damn, I would go NUTS tho..) and still, the same procedure costs 1/10 of what it costs here.

When I was there last summer I got an ECG with cardiac specialist visit and blood work. No insurance. Entire visit cost $50 US and they did everything right there, on the spot.. In the USA, just the ECG alone would have 4 - 600, cardiac specialist visit maybe another 2 - 400 blood work, another 1 - 200 for what I had done. Freakin crazy.


-john
wera, ccs - novice # 979 - sv650
Aprilia Falco (sold), Gs500 (sold), KTM300 (sold)

"I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one of them."

Separation of Corp. And State!

R.I.P Alex Lyskawa - My heart will never heal from your passing.
  MySpace.com Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to jron  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#13)
I came I saw I shat mysef
 
jron's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,068
Join Date: July 21, 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
September 17, 2013, 12:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spud View Post
I see what your are saying OSD, but a single negotiation point would make a larger impact.
I agree.. I think the single biggest thing we could do to lower overall healthcare expense would be single payer with a single negotiation for prices. If YOU want give us what we want for a good price there are others lined up wanting it.


-john
wera, ccs - novice # 979 - sv650
Aprilia Falco (sold), Gs500 (sold), KTM300 (sold)

"I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one of them."

Separation of Corp. And State!

R.I.P Alex Lyskawa - My heart will never heal from your passing.
  MySpace.com Page Send a message via AIM to Send a message via AIM to jron  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#14)
MSF Student
 
fxc3700's Avatar
 
Posts: 99
Join Date: February 2, 2006
Location: Capitol Hill, DC
September 17, 2013, 12:36 PM

Right now we are the testing bed for those hip replacements that are then marketed and sold to those other countries.

In Canada if a drug company isn't selling a drug there with in 6 months they lose the patent. A drug company can take the Canadian Governments reimbursement which is x % above production cost and keep the patent, or say no and in 6 months the drug is now reverse engendered and sold a a generic by someone else. Again the US is doing the research for these drugs that the world is getting for cheap.

Take us out of the equation and I wonder if health care innovation will stagnate. That said 2013 healthcare science is good. With out the US capitalist system governments are going to need to invest more money into research. Where politics will influence the innovation. I am weary of what this will mean.

I think insurance reform is the answer. Right now the system is all messed up, but insurance companies are the only capitalist mediators between the insured and the provider. In a capitalist insurance base system bad ideas can fail and be corrected quickly, but in a single payer system if the Government picks the wrong hip everyone suffers till the Government fixes the problem.

If everyone had insurance the way we have cell phones then the competition would be between insurance companies to grow their market share. To do that they would have to provide better services to make the consumer happy and earn their business. The Government's role should be to regulate the market, ensure appropriate coverage and insurance practices are use. That said there needs to be a lot of players providing insurance and us the consumers need to have control over who we chose to go with not our employers.

While the exchange market coming online next month isn't quite this vision I hope it will prove the starting point for real insurance reform and the untying of healthcare coverage from our employers, putting the control back in the individuals hand. If it doesn't go this direction then I fear a single payer system is just around the corner for us and put in our legislators hands.
  MySpace.com Page Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Unread
  (#15)
Derpentine Dealer
 
OrangeShirtDude's Avatar
 
Posts: 12,465
Join Date: April 6, 2007
Location: "Going Bonkers"
September 17, 2013, 12:38 PM

We should ask ourselves why auto service is not problematic like health care is in this country. What can we see in other service industries that can be applied to health care? Oh one thing--maybe we should not entitle ourselves to another person's services without expecting to pay for them.


How's my posting? Please direct all concerns and inquiries to DCSBN's chief content manager, Hollywood, via PM.
  Send a message via AIM to  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com
All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner. The comments are property of their posters, all the rest 2002-2010 by DCSportbikes.net. DCSportbikes.net is owned by End of Time Studios, LLC.