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Police everywhere on the 4th - anyone have a good MD traffic lawyer? - July 7, 2008, 10:22 AM

I think it's rather ironic that on the 4th of July we live in a police state. They were everywhere on the roads. I saw them, knew they were there, and kept pretty cool. I was driving from Baltimore down 95 on my way to 6 flags. There must have been a half a dozen I passed while in the fast lane behind the same car for at least 3 miles - driving completely normal and non-agressive. They always had someone pulled over. They must have just been on a mission. I wasn't really moving past anyone in any of the other lanes. The traffic was moving pretty uniformly and briskly. I was the last of that block of traffic, but still felt confident I was in the green. A cop pulled me over after hitting me with a laser for 81 in a 65. I couldn't believe he pulled me over. 80-ish is normal for the road. It's a $160 ticket and probably some points.

If I go to court, I can't really say anything other than, "I was staying with traffic". That's not a good defense. So I was thinking lawyer. What's it cost to have a lawyer go handle this sort of thing for me?
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July 7, 2008, 10:25 AM

MD you get speeding tickets no reckless, your are fine. Pay and be on your way. Does MD use points?
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July 7, 2008, 10:26 AM

The lawyer is gonna cost you a whole lot more than that ticket!!

If you don't have any recent priors...pay the fine and go to traffic school for the points.


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July 7, 2008, 10:30 AM

ticket $160
online drivin class $50
total $210 and the class should cover whatever points you get
lawyer minimum $500 and dont garauntee anything

you decide!
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July 7, 2008, 10:32 AM

dude your going 81 in a 55 yeah i can see the officer pulling you over, how many points do you have and when was the last time you got a ticket. your points decrease every 2 yrs now.
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July 7, 2008, 10:37 AM

A lawyer will cost you way more than your fine. If you driving record is clean then the 2 points you will get, shouldn't matter much. I'd pay the ticket and just be careful the next 2 years. Driving school would not do much for you unless you have 3 or more points on your license. Though it may look good to some judges.
So it would really depend on what your record looks like. If you have no points or tickets in a large number of years, I'd present that to the judge and he/she might let you off. 16 over is not bad here.
If you already have 2-3 points, then take the driving school before your court date.
If you have over 5 points, you may want to start looking for a lawyer.
Anything over that I'd suggest a lawyer, right off the bat.


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July 7, 2008, 10:43 AM

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dude your going 81 in a 65 yeah i can see the officer pulling you over, how many points do you have and when was the last time you got a ticket. your points decrease every 2 yrs now.
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thanks for the retype, im always thinking its in mont co.
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I hate speed limits. They ought to be safety recommendations - and its your ass if you exceed them and something happens.


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thanks for the retype, im always thinking its in mont co.
No prob.

People FLY on 95. ~80 seems slow in the face of the flow of traffic.


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I hate speed limits. They ought to be safety recommendations - and its your ass if you exceed them and something happens.
I hate speed limits too. Only trouble is, often enough it's someone else's ass too if you exceed them and something happens. That's one of the main reasons we have the limits. Another is that it's a nice little mechanism for generating revenue.

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July 7, 2008, 11:31 AM

I'm telling you, I was a little shocked I was pulled over. I wasn't passing anyone. I had a safe following distance with the guy in front of me for at least 3 miles. And 81 on 95 isn't really fast at all for the road. It should be one of the old 75pmh roads.

My driving record is pretty clean. The only thing on it is from last summer when they got me doing 77 or 79 in a 65. I'd have fought it, but the court was in Cumberland and I couldn't make it because of work. I think I got a point for that. The $75 fine was annoying. The point worries me more than anything. This fine is more than double and I was only doing a few miles per hour more. It doesn't seem right.

Speed limits are set using antiquated standards. I'm against them in general and see through the BS revenue reasoning to have them.
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July 7, 2008, 11:38 AM

u speed, u lose. my ex gf got pulled over by vsp and ticketed for going 61 in a 55 on the way back from va tech, no bs.


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July 7, 2008, 11:48 AM

go to court and ask for a PBJ (probation before judgement). If your record is clean the judge will let it slide. I was pulled in towson for doing 79 in a 65 in the far right lane (cars were passing me!) and the judge gave me a pbj. Go to court and explain the events and verify you were courteous with the cop and you should be reduced fine (no points as well) or pbj. Judges dont decide points but their verdict is dictated by MVA when points are tossed in.

tickets in md are nothing like va, i got 89 in 55 tickets in both states within 2 months and one was speeding and the other was reckless, guess who pwned me.
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I hate speed limits too. Only trouble is, often enough it's someone else's ass too if you exceed them and something happens. That's one of the main reasons we have the limits. Another is that it's a nice little mechanism for generating revenue.

Solution: Speed smarter.
Yeah I understand that, but there's two kinds of speeding: Reckless speeding and casual speeding.

Casual speeding is what Cutter was doing. Generally, traffic will naturally find a comfortable pace for a given road and conditions. It just so happens that our speed limits are almost always significantly (15-25 mph) lower than the "natural speed".

Reckless speeding is driving way above or way BELOW the flow of traffic. Its rarely speed itself that causes an accident, but rather differences in speed - coming up on something too fast.

Speed itself doesn't say much about the safety of anyone's driving - hence I find it ridiculous and arbitrary.

My solution would be for mutiple lane closed highways (read - interstates) to have a left most "unlimited speed" lane, with the remaining lanes stepped down in 10 mph increments. Thus, in a four lane highway, the rightmost lane might be 55 mph, the next lane 65, the next 75, and the leftmost lane unlimited. There is no incentive to exceed the limit of any lane, because one can just move over to the faster lane. All incidents occuring as a result of a lane change automatically become the fault of the person changing lanes.

Most importantly, rather than traffic law babysitting everyone, we should empower people to be more aware of wtf is going on around them - I see no problems with anything that doesn't disrupt the orderly/normal flow of traffic - regardless of speed. If someone as a driver is incapable of having the necessary awareness, then they shouldn't get a license.

I hate that everything is dumbed down for the least able person on the road - in fact that's a trend all over the place that I can't stand, but that's a different soap box.


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