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Radon - May 16, 2018, 08:04 AM

Home had a high reading, got estimates, chose a contractor. Chose wrong. Readings are still high (3.7 +/- .4). Warranty says they will get it under 4. I think 3.7 +/- .4 = 4.1, they disagree and want to charge me more to even come out and look and then more to fix if needed it. What is my recourse aside from arguing. Its not a ton of $ maybe another $400, but I already paid them a lot as it was a crawl space with slab which required the stronger fan and the crawl space fee.

Should I pay a different company to come out and inspect company A's work?
Should I pay a lawyer to intimidate them in to fixing the issue?

I elevated the issue at the company and they put off their workers coming in today in order to retest levels and promised to "work with me" on cost, but I strongly feel I dont owe them shit, and they need to fix their work which, in my opinion did not meet their standards.


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May 16, 2018, 09:26 AM

They are technically right that they got it under 4 (what was the original reading). Radon is something that fluctuates depending on when tested, weather, etc hence why they give a +/-. So if they test today it might be 3.3 and 4.1 tomorrow. Would you have been satisfied if the readings came up as 3.5 +/- .4?

Your best recourse of action is probably hiring another company, if you feel like you want better results. You may need a more aggressive remedy to get what you truly want. Would be a waste of money to hire a lawyer for this, IMO.


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How does one exactly get rid of Radon gas from their home. My understanding is that it's naturally occurring and comes out of the ground.



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How does one exactly get rid of Radon gas from their home. My understanding is that it's naturally occurring and comes out of the ground.
It is. You divert it from actually coming/seeping into the house, via ventilation etc.


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Hire a different company to redo the work? If I did that Id either have to have a whole new system, or Id end up with a system neither company would warranty. Id only hire a different contractor to verify the quality of the work.


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Hire a different company to redo the work? If I did that Id either have to have a whole new system, or Id end up with a system neither company would warranty. Id only hire a different contractor to verify the quality of the work.
The other company would obviously verify whether or not they think the existing mitigation system is doing what is supposed to do (lower the radon exposure for that specific area), before agreeing to either fix or replace. However, this is always a slippery slope with contractors and specifically something such as radon that you actually can't see/touch (unlike fixing a water leak for example).

You didn't state what the original levels were. Judging from what you said thus far, either way you are going to need to spend more money on a more aggressive mitigation solution to achieve a lower lever.


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Started out at 8.1, house is part slab, part crawlspace.


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DISCLAIMER: The following conclusion contained in this post is my OPINION. DO NOT take it in place of sound professional direction.


Not that I'd totally ignore having paid (probably a lot) for marginal improvement, just for peace of mind, below 4 is already well below any level of real concern. Obviously breathing in radionuclides is not generally a good thing, but we're talking 4 pCi/L. That's tiny. For perspective, a banana is about 500 pCi (3520 pCi/kg - source: page 620 of the CRD Handbook on Rad Measurement and Protection).

4 pCi/L is about 150 Bq/m3, gives approx 8 mSv/year dosage, which is 0.8 REM.
That dosage estimate comes from: http://www-ns.iaea.org/tech-areas/co...esentation.pdf
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(Dosage based on activity level (Bq/m3) and avg. time in home, which is one of the reasons it differs somewhat from the below chart mSv axis - different exposure profile)



Rad workers in US are limited to 5 REM/yr. Influenced heavily by the data shown on this chart:




TL; DR: 4 pCi/L seems pretty negligible, and it actually might reduce your chance of cancer, depending on how you think your body reacts to radiation and depending on how localized the dose is.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not advocating sucking up radionuclides by choice. I am not a radiological medicine expert, and these numbers are estimates from simple conversions and background knowledge. DO NOT take any of this as medical advice. This information is worth what it cost you.


P.S. I paid $150 for a radon test in the home I just bought, even though I knew it was a waste of money and that no reading they gave short of "holy s*** there's unshielded spent nuclear fuel directly under your floorboards" would convince me to do anything about it.

P.P.S. more fun perspective on radcon related stuff:
https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/




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Danke,

My issue is more related to getting the service I paid for $1,250 to seal a crawl space and for the upgraded fan for vending, a warranty that states they will get the level under 4, and a test result of 3.7 +/- .4. No matter how you look at it that puts them in the range of 3.3 to 4.1, above the warranty. The test was taken in the spring, radon levels read highest in the winter. I dont like that the company I paid wants to charge me $149 to inspect their own work. Typical remediation brings levels down to below 1.


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My issue is more related to getting the service I paid for $1,250 to seal a crawl space and for the upgraded fan for vending, a warranty that states they will get the level under 4, and a test result of 3.7 +/- .4. No matter how you look at it that puts them in the range of 3.3 to 4.1, above the warranty. The test was taken in the spring, radon levels read highest in the winter. I dont like that the company I paid wants to charge me $149 to inspect their own work. Typical remediation brings levels down to below 1.
Agree with you on quality of work perspective. Below 4.0 without caveats means all the time to me. Unless they put "mean" or "average" in their contracts somewhere. I wouldn't spend another dime to have them "inspect" their work, because they will take your $150 and say they still met to the reqt.
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