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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw






C/N:Bush sux, controlled by the elite, Obama Says he's gonna do this, But really does that, and is puppet of the elite. Prepare for world goverment or fight back.



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Also if you feel this is just a smear film(meaning you actually watched the whole thing) please feel free to disprove any points in the film with your own research.


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Just finished watching the entire film. Very good find, and thanks for posting.

There's some very interesting stuff brought up, a lot of which I'm no expert in....rather most issues I'm not an expert in. I especially liked the whole segment about the Westfield's Marriot, and when they were being tailed by that car. It's weird to see that stuff happening in your back yard!

But to address your 'cliff notes' -- The film places President Bush and President Obama under the same umbrella....along with most prior Presidents. Bush did not "control the elite" as you say, but rather the 'elite' had a controlling hand over him (as well as Obama.) In addition, one of the main underlying points, is that Obama is not only continuing a lot of Bush's policies, but expanding them as well (not doing what he pledged to do during his campaign for the White House.)

I suppose that's all I have for now, and I have no intention of getting into any kind of political debate. There's just no sense in trying to ramble on about, and sum up a lot of which I do not yet fully understand or am aware of. Like I said, I'm no expert.

Bottom line -- Good video that everyone should take some time to watch. Regardless of party affiliation.




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The premise I think you should to work off of when evaluating this stuff is that the systems are never balanced... it IS an entropic system. It's a bell curve of buildup and decline, and men attempt to control it... to rush it up to the top of the bell curve and keep it in the vicinity for as long as possible. Everything is a measure and mathematical quantity. Within the measure of a system when you apply a quantity of force to artificially support a system you weaken the system for the future, you are borrowing it's strength from it's ability to sustain itself smoothly. That's why systems crash at the end, because you applied all it's futures strength to artificially offset it's decline at the top of the bell.

It's all cyclic. It must crash to be reborn.. to begin the cycle of buildup to artificial support, exhaustion of resources, and crash. This was the basic premise of Fight Club. In fact, by doing it earlier in the system you limit it's effect, by waiting until the end the effects are catastrophic because all assets are exhausted and have no platform with which to begin the buildup. You have to wait for the resources to normalize and naturally become available again. There are several great books about human systems. It's the reason I'm an anarchist at heart... because, really, that's the reality.


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I'll get back to watching this tonight for sure. Not during work, thanks for the post!
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Bush did not "control the elite" as you say, but rather the 'elite' had a controlling hand over him (as well as Obama.)
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Bottom line -- Good video that everyone should take some time to watch. Regardless of party affiliation.

The said part is the "2 party" system only keeps people further in the dark, that there really is no 2 party system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTahZE4q90U


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Does anyone realize the tenth amendment granted by our forefathers prohibits *certain* rule by the Federal Gov't?!? WTF?!?
http://research.lawyers.com/Tenth-Am...to-States.html
Do any of you do a thing about it?
Send the message! Write in!
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Does anyone realize the tenth amendment granted by our forefathers prohibits *certain* rule by the Federal Gov't?!? WTF?!?
http://research.lawyers.com/Tenth-Am...to-States.html
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Well it's pretty vague. It's only prohibited if the states prohibit it. So there's default presumption that it's allowed unless it's specifically shot down by the states.
How many states? A majority or all? They didn't say.

It also says "or the people". Well the elected officials are elected by the people and represent the people, so technically therefore it's arguable that the rule of the President is representing the rule of the people.

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Does anyone realize the tenth amendment granted by our forefathers prohibits *certain* rule by the Federal Gov't?!? WTF?!?
http://research.lawyers.com/Tenth-Am...to-States.html
Do any of you do a thing about it?
Send the message! Write in!
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

That's a good point, the Federal government is out of control, trying to gain control of the states. The states are to be independant of the Fed, and that's why we have the 10th Amendment. I believe we need to push this on our state reps as something that needs to be put in place, for the people's protection from the Obamanation.


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Democrats won't be happy until this country becomes a Socialist Nation.
Democrats think everyone is too dumb to think for themselves and that they need the government to take them by the hand and feed them, give them a job, give them some lame ass healthcare like in canada. Rich Canadians come to America to get healthcare becuase they know their system sucks ass.


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Well it's pretty vague. It's only prohibited if the states prohibit it. So there's default presumption that it's allowed unless it's specifically shot down by the states.
How many states? A majority or all? They didn't say.

It also says "or the people". Well the elected officials are elected by the people and represent the people, so technically therefore it's arguable that the rule of the President is representing the rule of the people.

Welcome to politics.
What it says is: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
This affirms the Constitution's principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the National (or federal) government and that are not prohibited to the states are thereby under the juistiction of the state . In short: if it doesn't say here (edit* meaning in the Constitution)that it is a power of the Feds, it is up to the states.
In 1790, there were only 13 states. So, when the term "United States" is used as above it is referring to the "Federal" government. The term "States" refers to the 13 states as individual entities. As they should be. While there is a lot of gray area in politics, there ain't much in those 28 words.


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What it says is: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
This affirms the Constitution's principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the National (or federal) government and that are not prohibited to the states are thereby under the juistiction of the state . In short: if it doesn't say here (edit* meaning in the Constitution)that it is a power of the Feds, it is up to the states.
In 1790, there were only 13 states. So, when the term "United States" is used as above it is referring to the "Federal" government. The term "States" refers to the 13 states as individual entities. As they should be. While there is a lot of gray area in politics, there ain't much in those 28 words.
The gray is in the last 4 words. "or to the people"

The heads of our federal legislative branch, and the head of the federal executive branch are elected by the people (more or less). They are representatives of the will of the people, and therein inherit the jurisdiction reserved in those last 4 words.

Now, I am really just playing the Devil's advocate here because I am a person who believes in looking beyond the words to the spirit within those words when I'm looking for meaning. But the conclusion that draws isn't going to suit everybody. Those it doesn't suit will instead focus on the letters and words rather than the spirit and by technicality they can often find valid grounds for argument. So I say, welcome to politics
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Money talks. Lobbyist run the country, everyone knows that. Sometimes it seems the 2 parties are just different brands with the same intentions. Different packaging, but every bit as loyal to the lobbyists and campaign donors no matter what their message says. Except Bill Clinton, he was awesome.

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