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Redskins Are About To Have Their Best Record in Years - March 11, 2011, 05:39 PM

....because if you can't play, you can't lose games.


Looks like the NFL Lock-Out is a go.

The NLFPA & NFL Owners Association could not come to terms and the NFLPA would not grant a second extension because the owners group would not provide 10 years of audited financial for their clubs (What private company would ever let a 3rd party go through their books?!)

The Federal mediators said any further meetings or discussions between the two parties would be fruitless.

Who are you siding with in all this?



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No way it lasts until September.


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No way it lasts until September.
No fuckin way it does. They have months to get their shit together and I know they will.

Negotiations always continue in business...there are no deadlines.


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If the lockout lasts into the summer, the beginning of the season is gonna be a mess. Some teams will be worse off than others, especially the teams who have just hired new coaching staffs. Imagine an entire coaching staff that hasn't met any of their players, trying to install a new offense and or new defense, and not being able to start the process until August or September. On top of that, teams with talented, but somewhat lazy players, will have guys coming in totally out of football shape. Hello injuries. It's gonna be ugly.

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No fuckin way it does. They have months to get their shit together and I know they will.

Negotiations always continue in business...there are no deadlines.
I don't know if it will last until September, but we're in for the long haul now. The players are pissed, and have absolutely nothing motivating them to go back and negotiate for several months. Since the vast majority of their money is paid during the regular season, players aren't losing anything right now. They're all in vacation mode now, just like any other offseason. Training camp starts in July, but we all know guys hate training camp, so most of them won't care if they miss that, too. I'd be surprised if there was any serious negotiating until June or July.


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Training camp starts in July, but we all know guys hate training camp, so most of them won't care if they miss that, too. I'd be surprised if there was any serious negotiating until June or July.
The funny thing is that the Owners were willing to reduce training camp by 5 weeks(!) in addition to reducing the number of mandated practice hours per week during the regular season.



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I really have no idea about the particulars of the legal issues here, but... I guess my question would be this. What's stopping the owners from just saying "guess what? Eff all of you. We'll go hire a bunch of guys who didn't make the pros out of college and keep going business as usual, and they'll all be happy to work for a pittance in comparison to a lot of you." Because if I were an owner, I think that would be my position at this point if it were legally possible.

I see some validity to both sides here, but when all is said and done, the players should probably come to the realization that they are replaceable commodities. Frankly, an employee demanding to see his employer's financials is unreasonable, and is just about tantamount to looking a gift horse in the mouth in this instance. According to a little surfing, the minimum league salary last year was $310K, so... I'm just not feeling a lot of sympathy for a bunch of dudes who in probably at least 99% of cases literally have their dream job.
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I really have no idea about the particulars of the legal issues here, but... I guess my question would be this. What's stopping the owners from just saying "guess what? Eff all of you. We'll go hire a bunch of guys who didn't make the pros out of college and keep going business as usual, and they'll all be happy to work for a pittance in comparison to a lot of you." Because if I were an owner, I think that would be my position at this point if it were legally possible.
Nothing. They've done it before.
Even some of the practice squad players - the guys who never get field time, resign as non-union players and go back because they know they'll finally get PT.

The only issue is that the quality of play and quality of the game itself suffers.
But trust me, if you think there aren't 50 players per team itching to get on a NFL squad - the NLFPA is smoking rocks.

You've got 100 some odd undrafted players who are ready to go. I'm sure plenty of CFL players would make the jump just to escape Canada's crushing personal income taxes. (nearly 60%). Arena league. Semi-pro leagues like the UFL and NAFL.
So there's no deft of pro-level talent ready to go.



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I really have no idea about the particulars of the legal issues here, but... I guess my question would be this. What's stopping the owners from just saying "guess what? Eff all of you. We'll go hire a bunch of guys who didn't make the pros out of college and keep going business as usual, and they'll all be happy to work for a pittance in comparison to a lot of you." Because if I were an owner, I think that would be my position at this point if it were legally possible.

I see some validity to both sides here, but when all is said and done, the players should probably come to the realization that they are replaceable commodities. Frankly, an employee demanding to see his employer's financials is unreasonable, and is just about tantamount to looking a gift horse in the mouth in this instance. According to a little surfing, the minimum league salary last year was $310K, so... I'm just not feeling a lot of sympathy for a bunch of dudes who in probably at least 99% of cases literally have their dream job.
Really? For one, because they (owners) need to build winning teams. You cant build a franchise with a bunch of rag tag college players. This isnt The Replacements and they arent Keanu Reeves. Plus college players working towards that next level will NOT be happy to work for pittance. They want those big contracts. Its what they have worked their whole life for.


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Nothing. They've done it before.
Even some of the practice squad players - the guys who never get field time, resign as non-union players and go back because they know they'll finally get PT.

The only issue is that the quality of play and quality of the game itself suffers.
But trust me, if you think there aren't 50 players per team itching to get on a NFL squad - the NLFPA is smoking rocks.

You've got 100 some odd undrafted players who are ready to go. I'm sure plenty of CFL players would make the jump just to escape Canada's crushing personal income taxes. (nearly 60%). Arena league. Semi-pro leagues like the UFL and NAFL.
So there's no deft of pro-level talent ready to go.
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JTG--hmmm... gotta disagree with you. Owners don't need to build winning teams--there's roughly half the NFL that aren't a 'winning team' in any given season, and some perennially so. Given the popularity of college football, and the fact that you immediately start bringing in new talent in any case right out of college... I don't see it being a big problem. Will the quality of the game suffer? For a couple of years, sure. And that was a comparative pittance I was speaking of...

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Really? For one, because they (owners) need to build winning teams. You cant build a franchise with a bunch of rag tag college players. This isnt The Replacements and they arent Keanu Reeves. Plus college players working towards that next level will NOT be happy to work for pittance. They want those big contracts. Its what they have worked their whole life for.
Not if they were undrafted, or a low draft pick. They're be more than happy to pick up a guaranteed 1-year $200K+ or more.



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JTG--hmmm... gotta disagree with you. Owners don't need to build winning teams--there's roughly half the NFL that aren't a 'winning team' in any given season, and some perennially so.

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JTG--hmmm... gotta disagree with you. Owners don't need to build winning teams--there's roughly half the NFL that aren't a 'winning team' in any given season, and some perennially so. Given the popularity of college football, and the fact that you immediately start bringing in new talent in any case right out of college... I don't see it being a big problem. Will the quality of the game suffer? For a couple of years, sure. And that was a comparative pittance I was speaking of...

Heist--that absolutely makes sense.
No, not EVERY team is a winning team, but I GUARANTEE you every team goes into the season with the intentions of winning. Every business decision that is made is done to increase revenue. That is done by signing marquee players, winning games, and building/sustaining a fan base.

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Not if they were undrafted, or a low draft pick. They're be more than happy to pick up a guaranteed 1-year $200K+ or more.
So what are you saying? Sign a bunch of no-name college players to binding contracts just to get players on the field? Makes absolutely zero sense from a business perspective. Once all this dust settles, then you are stuck with a sub-par team, no room on the roster, and no money in the bank.


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