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The Revolution of the Arab world - February 15, 2011, 09:41 AM

Apparently it's going on now.

More revolutions end in worse tyrrany than they replace, but I'm impressed with the resolve of the groups, largely utilizing facebook and twitter to operate, in these countries.

Tunisia and Egypt have created significant windfall throughout the middle east. Pro-western monarchist countries such as Bahrain and Jordan have already validated controlled resolution, wisely, but I find it interesting that this revolution is anti-theocratic, technology driven...

Welcome into the 21st century, Arab world. I'm interested to see the governments that raise up from these change-overs. Will they result in copies of African democratic farces?

Kimmy and I had a discussion on this a couple weeks back.


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I'm waiting to see the UAE and how that happens. Because you can only bribe your folks with hand outs for so long.


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February 15, 2011, 10:13 AM

My prediction. More anti-US/west governments ruled under strict Islamic law through elected officials.


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My prediction. More anti-US/west governments ruled under strict Islamic law through elected officials.
I don't know. They're using secular, western transparency to achieve this... that can't go on without some recognition of the irony inherent in the process.

I'm not saying they've thrown away Islam for Facebook/Twitter... but I am saying it's colouring the waters of perception.

No matter... all the pro-western states already got the clue and dismantled their governments pre-emptively. They should last through this.


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I don't know. They're using secular, western transparency to achieve this... that can't go on without some recognition of the irony inherent in the process.

I'm not saying they've thrown away Islam for Facebook/Twitter... but I am saying it's colouring the waters of perception.
I disagree wholeheartedly. While modern-western cultural expanse has begun trickling into the islamic world... The recognition of that will continue to be masked by a millenial hatred of all things not Allah.

While people may be rising up against oppression, it doesn't mean that their sentiment with regard to the Western World have changed. You're making the assumption that a modern regime won't still harbor hatred for the western world on a cultural and religous level... much like advancing the king bishop's pawn... suicidal


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I disagree wholeheartedly. While modern-western cultural expanse has begun trickling into the islamic world... The recognition of that will continue to be masked by a millenial hatred of all things not Allah.

While people may be rising up against oppression, it doesn't mean that their sentiment with regard to the Western World have changed. You're making the assumption that a modern regime won't still harbor hatred for the western world on a cultural and religous level... much like advancing the king bishop's pawn... suicidal
Most of these countries may revert to similar regimes (if you want to comment on what I'm assuming read the first post) but technology driven revolutions may have a difficult time reverting completely out of transparency and into the oppressive theocracies they once were.


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I disagree wholeheartedly. While modern-western cultural expanse has begun trickling into the islamic world... The recognition of that will continue to be masked by a millenial hatred of all things not Allah.

While people may be rising up against oppression, it doesn't mean that their sentiment with regard to the Western World have changed. You're making the assumption that a modern regime won't still harbor hatred for the western world on a cultural and religous level... much like advancing the king bishop's pawn... suicidal
This statement is full of assumptions in itself. Most Arab countries have a huge amount of money vested in Western countries in terms of investments, real estate, etc already... The "Islamic" world you speak of is nothing but a handful of countries that make up a minority of the Muslim population.


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Most of these countries may revert to similar regimes (if you want to comment on what I'm assuming read the first post) but technology driven revolutions may have a difficult time reverting completely out of transparency and into the oppressive theocracies they once were.
I think you are completely misusing the words technology driven revolution.

A technology driven revolution would be one where the masses are driven to revolt due to their abhorrence of outdated technology etc.

What you are describing is a revoltuion which is (partially) enabled by technology. I don't think fundamental differences in opinion on technology are driving the uprisings - years of oppresion are

It's debatable whether or not there would have been uprisings without twitter and facebook ... Maybe once they realize that they have succumbed to the Western world's two biggest wastes of time they will revert...

But I can see how it is a cool term to use and all...


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Will they result in copies of African democratic farces?
Probably not. The populace in these countries tends to be much more educated than than of the African Banana Republics.

However, the Radical Muslim groups are also asking for equal say in these new Republics. I am gravely concerned that if they are able to rise to power, they would be able to inject their doctrine into the new laws or even turn these countries into stricter conservative Islamic states.



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I think you are completely misusing the words technology driven revolution.

A technology driven revolution would be one where the masses are driven to revolt due to their abhorrence of outdated technology etc.

What you are describing is a revoltuion which is (partially) enabled by technology. I don't think fundamental differences in opinion on technology are driving the uprisings - years of oppresion are

It's debatable whether or not there would have been uprisings without twitter and facebook ... Maybe once they realize that they have succumbed to the Western world's two biggest wastes of time they will revert...

But I can see how it is a cool term to use and all...
Egypt and Iran have both either completely shut off the internet or seriously crippled it. The presiding governments did so because of the impact (driver) the technology represents by enabling people to coordinate.

As much as I love arguing semantics, it's rather pointless. Apparently Iran and Egypt felt that these uprisings could be contained if technology could be contained... or at least not organized on a wide enough scale to represent serious threat. Tunisia didn't do it, Egypt did it too late, and it seems Iran recognized this early and is doing a better job of containment. Technology merely represents transparency.

Others apparently agree, please see the title: http://technologywebblog.com/2011/01...en-revolution/

"Unfortunately, if Sudan truly follows the examples of Tunisia and Egypt, the local government may interfere with citizens’ ability to access the social network. Tunisian officials allegedly did this by hacking individual accounts, while the Egyptian government completely blocked first Twitter and Facebook, and then all Internet access."

Infering that no matter the cause, facebook (technology) was the driver.


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