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Ron Paul on Obama’s Iraq Speech: Mission Not Accomplished *POLITICAL* - September 5, 2010, 09:14 PM

LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on President Obama’s speech from the Oval Office last night:


The President’s announcement that all U.S. combat troops have left Iraq is no more believable than the 'Mission Accomplished' declaration was in 2003.

Once again, we are being told the mission has been accomplished and our brave men and women are coming back home. Though the people are hopeful they remain skeptical, and rightfully so.

The biggest problem is that success in Iraq is undefinable since the mission was never defined. The reasons given for the invasion were based on misinformation. Now, the war has cost us hundreds of billions of dollars and this has contributed significantly to our economic woes.

It is deceitful to imply we will avoid hostilities with this new policy. We still have to contend with:
  • the 50,000 troops carrying weapons remain in Iraq
  • the 100,000 contractors that remain with more expected to go to Iraq
  • the 9,000 special ops personnel trained in assassinations that remain in Iraq
  • a huge embassy, bigger than the Vatican, that will remain
  • Dozens of military bases that will stay
  • Al Qaeda organizations that did not exist before the war
  • Muqtada al Sadr, a strong nationalist who has gained much political power
  • The fact that Iran benefits tremendously with the Shiites now in power in Iraq and is a close ally of al Sadr
Osama bin Laden wins by 'proving' that America has an agenda of occupation in the Middle East. And, we continue to walk into his trap and hand him up his best recruitment tool in his efforts to incite hatred and terrorism against the United States.

What’s worse, President Obama made it clear last night that the troops and resources leaving Iraq will not come home to defend our country or ease our economic woes. They will instead be diverted to Afghanistan, perhaps also Pakistan and, I fear, even Iran.

From my viewpoint we are the losers in this fool’s errand of endless war. Tragically, this new policy is not one of peace but merely a charade that will severely undermine our national security and continue us down the path to bankruptcy—a threat that we best not long ignore.


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Eh, that's a lot of griping by Ron. What is the suggested alternative?

We did not have any significant residency there when we were attacked, yet I repeatedly hear the argument that we're making them hate us by being there.

They already hated us enough to reach out and kill thousands of our civilians before we started banging down their door. Does more pissed really equate to more problem? It has already been shown that leaving them alone does not equate to them leaving us alone.

Which basically brings me back to the question. What is the suggested alternative? Withdraw and just absorb a few thousand murdered by guerrilla terrorist attacks from time to time because it's less expensive?


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Withdraw and just absorb a few thousand murdered by guerrilla terrorist attacks from time to time because it's less expensive?
thats the same argument they used to pass the patriot act, and homeland security, various other laws that defeat the purpose of a constitution in the first place.


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I think his points are more to the propaganda of "winning" and the diverting of troops to alternative locations in the area where they will be in the same danger, present the same cost to the American people, etc. etc. We're not really doing anything differently, we're just shifting the cost elsewhere to meet an empty promise and declare victory.

I know a few things about what's going to be happening in Iraq when the State Dept takes over for the military, and really nothing is going to change. The question here is: We're taking a lot of losses, are we making a difference? Is this working?


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thats the same argument they used to pass the patriot act, and homeland security, various other laws that defeat the purpose of a constitution in the first place.
Which is bullshit. I do not believe in trading freedom for security.

There's a detail to that comment though. I don't believe in trading *our* freedom for *our* security.

When "they" exercise their freedom (and they can be anybody) such that our security is diminished, I do believe in trading *their* freedom for our security.

IE. "They pull a knife, you pull a gun. They send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue."


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cool. so when are you coming over here to pull your gun out


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I think his points are more to the propaganda of "winning" and the diverting of troops to alternative locations in the area where they will be in the same danger, present the same cost to the American people, etc. etc. We're not really doing anything differently, we're just shifting the cost elsewhere to meet an empty promise and declare victory.

I know a few things about what's going to be happening in Iraq when the State Dept takes over for the military, and really nothing is going to change. The question here is: We're taking a lot of losses, are we making a difference? Is this working?
While I don't disagree, it's rather circumstantial. It's convenient to his point that we have problems in other areas that need to be addressed.

Did we not have victory over Germany before we stomped Japan?

I'm not saying there aren't still problems in Iraq. Hell I won't be so arrogant as to say I know dick about what is really going on in Iraq. But in my opinion from the context of a U.S. national threat, Iraq is better off now than it was before before we went in.

The fact that we're trying not to leave that shithole as a shithole is because we're awfully nice, as well as being wise enough to know that old grudges can come back to bite decades later.

To your question, it really depends on what results you're after. In my opinion, we as a country were living in an illusion of security until 9/11 woke us up. We all as a country wanted to get the fuckers who did it without understanding at all who the fuckers were. I believe they'd love to pull off a repeat, but I also believe they can't because of the interference we're causing them. Why are we there? To prevent them from effecting their will against us. Are we effective? Yes.

Everybody wants cut and dry, black and white. Go out in force, win the game, and come home with your trophy. That isn't the real world. And just like the real world, just because someone may not like the way the real world operates, does not mean they can opt-out of participating with positive results. It's a shitty reality but I'm glad so far we have faced it and responded to it accordingly.


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I tried. I enlisted in the marine corps out of high school. I couldn't cut the mustard. I'm not proud of that but it is what it is. Now I support in ways I can cut the mustard. I work directly in support of SPAWAR projects to do what I can for those that can do more than me.


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While I don't disagree, it's rather circumstantial. It's convenient to his point that we have problems in other areas that need to be addressed.

Did we not have victory over Germany before we stomped Japan?

I'm not saying there aren't still problems in Iraq. Hell I won't be so arrogant as to say I know dick about what is really going on in Iraq. But in my opinion from the context of a U.S. national threat, Iraq is better off now than it was before before we went in.

The fact that we're trying not to leave that shithole as a shithole is because we're awfully nice, as well as being wise enough to know that old grudges can come back to bite decades later.

To your question, it really depends on what results you're after. In my opinion, we as a country were living in an illusion of security until 9/11 woke us up. We all as a country wanted to get the fuckers who did it without understanding at all who the fuckers were. I believe they'd love to pull off a repeat, but I also believe they can't because of the interference we're causing them. Why are we there? To prevent them from effecting their will against us. Are we effective? Yes.

Everybody wants cut and dry, black and white. Go out in force, win the game, and come home with your trophy. That isn't the real world. And just like the real world, just because someone may not like the way the real world operates, does not mean they can opt-out of participating with positive results. It's a shitty reality but I'm glad so far we have faced it and responded to it accordingly.
I like Ron Paul because he is completely uninfluenced by either party. He will as quickly and adamantly decry the republicans or democrats... granted sometimes that comes off as totally crazy, but then again the party line has been developed to sound rational and reasonable despite it's actual application.

He will never be president. You have to have money, backing, and a bland enough agenda to pass the media muster. We are driven by what we see and hear.

I like how he divorces completely from the mainstream ideal. Rejects ideas of victory, because despite how they sound, they aren't really true.

This guy is about one thing. Stopping the hemorrhage of money into wars. Stop the death of Americans for causes that are hardly defined. Rebuild our economy.

If I really thought our being in the middle east was making a difference on our safety in the US, I'd be all about it. I've had a unique change to see a lot of data most people don't that seems to point out otherwise.


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Well, I think the attack yesterday proves maybe we left prematurely....


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In Kabul for three days, then going through to Islamabad/Lahore/Kirachi/One other embassy compound for two weeks following.


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Well, I think the attack yesterday proves maybe we left prematurely....
Cause attacks don't happen while we're there?

My friend just came out of Iraq and said there were rockets incoming basically every night. Talked to the IMO of Abu Dhabi in November, he was there for 16 months until last year, said someone was on the embassy compound with a cellphone walking in mortar attacks. They don't let any of the local staff in with any electronic devices but someone got one through. He'd been talking to a friend who went back to her pod, five minutes before she got blown to bits. And no one hails those fallen heroes... cause apparently you have to be armed to be a hero.

Nothings changed... not on the ground.


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If I really thought our being in the middle east was making a difference on our safety in the US, I'd be all about it. I've had a unique change to see a lot of data most people don't that seems to point out otherwise.
Certainly I, like most, don't have all the data, but it sounds like we're on the same page. I thought it was making a difference, I could very well be wrong. It's hard over here not to be naive.

If it's not making a difference, it's a waste of time and money and lives. But to do nothing, and transition from action as a waste of time, money, and lives, to inaction and a waste of only lives, does not sit well with me.

I am sure that we need to be active, but not for active's sake. I just don't believe inaction in this arena could possibly produce positive results.

I don't really have any problems with Ron Paul. I appreciate that he does not have a party line agenda. I agree he can come off crazy sometimes, so can I.


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