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Exclamation Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges - November 10, 2006, 11:07 AM

Though he is now the former Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld is expected to be accused of war crimes in a lawsuit to be filed next week in Germany.
The Center for Constitutional Rights will file the suit on behalf of a group of Iraqi detainees as well as the so-called 20th hijacker, who is currently being held at Guantanamo Bay.
"The former secretary actually authorized a series of interrogation techniques," said

Michael Ratner, President of CCR. "They included the use of dogs, stripping, hooding, stressed positions, chaining to the floor, sexual humiliation and those types of activities.
Those techniques, he says, amount to torture and violate the Geneva Conventions". Ratner will be traveling to Berlin next week and plans to file the suit on Tuesday.

The suit is being brought in Germany because a "universal jurisdiction" law there allows German courts to claim jurisdiction over war crimes even if they were committed outside that country's borders.
CCR filed a similar lawsuit in Germany two years ago. That suit charged that Rumsfeld, former CIA Director George Tenet and other senior officials were responsible for the torturing of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. The suit was dismissed, however, because German prosecutors said the case had no connection to German citizens nor to events that took place in Germany.
Department of Defense officials at the time refused to comment on the allegations in the suit, and Rumsfeld himself has called such universal jurisdiction lawsuits "absurd" and "politicized."

Despite the previous dismissals and Rumsfeld's resignation, Ratner says he still thinks the former secretary needs to be held accountable for what Ratner calls "war crimes," and he also wants to put the U.S. interrogation policy on trial.
"I think it's important not just for the personal accountability of Rumsfeld but really to put the United States back into what I consider the letter of law," he said.


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November 13, 2006, 08:22 AM

These people are on crack. War crimes....? How about holding the people that sold Sadham chemical weapons accountable or the crooks in the UN that scimmed millions from the oil for food program.
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These people are on crack. War crimes....? How about holding the people that sold Sadham chemical weapons accountable or the crooks in the UN that scimmed millions from the oil for food program.
Those people aren't Americans, and only Americans are eeevil.
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I believe Rumsfeld is a power monger, and he definitely abused his power, but that needs to be cleaned in house. Not taken to the Geneva convention on the constitutional rights for people being detained. Don't you think it is the responsiility of the country those people belong? If they even belong to a country.

Agreed with the comment on the UN scamming money.

The people that sold Iraq chems were....us. Right?


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The people that sold Iraq chems were....us. Right?
Yea, it was us and Britain.
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I believe Rumsfeld is a power monger, and he definitely abused his power, but that needs to be cleaned in house. Not taken to the Geneva convention on the constitutional rights for people being detained. Don't you think it is the responsiility of the country those people belong? If they even belong to a country.

Agreed with the comment on the UN scamming money.

The people that sold Iraq chems were....us. Right?
Initially true, however, I was referring to the Post Desert Storm era where most of the technology that Iraq possessed was from nations other than us.
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Uhm... all of this sounds like getting around the questions.

Did Rumsfeld commit war crimes or not (authorizing such activity or being aware without taking action to cease is also considered a war crime)?

Which war crimes?

Lastly, should there be a means of prosecuting someone for committing war crimes?

Should US citizens be protected from World authorities that the US has traditionally supported?


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I think the world is a little too violently opposed to the whole situation, and Americans in general, to leave any real decision up to them.


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im sure it all points back to the same guy saying whatever means possible........ and who might that be..... GEORGE BUSH...... rumsfeld will just be another scapegoat for bush


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I'm just curious as to what people really think.

It seems we agree with the notion of prosecuting war criminals, as long as its a foreigner. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?


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I'm just curious as to what people really think.

It seems we agree with the notion of prosecuting war criminals, as long as its a foreigner. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?
The ICC (International Criminal Court) is the newest evolution is world court systems that is designed to investigate and prosecute war crimes. Their first case is looking into the illegal conscription of teenagers in either the Congo or Uganda. Can't remeber which.

The ICC is designed to complement existing national judicial systems: the Court can only exercise its jurisdiction when national courts are unwilling or unable to investigate or prosecute such crimes, thus being a "court of last resort". Primary responsibility to exercise jurisdiction over alleged criminals is therefore left to individual states

Seeing as the US is the most fervent investigator of their own offenses, it should not be subjected to the oversight of the ICC.
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