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Security clearance worth? - October 26, 2012, 12:45 PM

I'm trying to decide between two engineering job offers. Without giving out all my ish, I'm trying to evaluate how much a security clearance is worth as one would require one soon after committing. Any insight? Does the level of clearance add value? Worth more then being able to get an MSEE fully funded vs ~2/3 + clearance?

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Get the clearance. Most employers have tuition reimbursement programs so you can still get your MSEE.


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October 26, 2012, 01:19 PM

1 - Any information they ask for, they already have access to most it; so you're not really "giving out all your ish".

2 - Does the level of clearance add value? Usually yes.

3 - Worth more then being able to get an MSEE fully funded? Yes. You can get a MS anywhere and at anytime (if you so desire). However, you can't just get a clearance without it being sponsored. Also, do these companies you are looking not have tuition reimbursement programs?


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October 26, 2012, 01:20 PM

Depends. If it's a federal job (as in federal civilian) then I don't think the clearance matters that much. As a contractor, it is your life line in the event a contract expires or you want to move. I have a friend that doesn't have one and makes a decent (6 figures) amount.


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1 - Any information they ask for, they already have access to most it; so you're not really "giving out all your ish".

2 - Does the level of clearance add value? Usually yes.

3 - Worth more then being able to get an MSEE fully funded? Yes. You can get a MS anywhere and at anytime (if you so desire). However, you can't just get a clearance without it being sponsored. Also, do these companies you are looking not have tuition reimbursement programs?
1: I was referring to putting too much info about either job or personal goals and desires on an internet forum. At this point I am just trying to evaluate the entire picture (pay, benefits, what I would be doing, where I'd live, etc) since one job would require me to relocate. Should of made that clearer.

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Job A offers no clearance, is a DOE funded lab on Long Island, and funds all tuition (grad school) 100%.

Job B will need a clearance, is a DOD contractor in St. Mary's, and funds grad school around 66%.

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Depends. If it's a federal job (as in federal civilian) then I don't think the clearance matters that much. As a contractor, it is your life line in the event a contract expires or you want to move. I have a friend that doesn't have one and makes a decent (6 figures) amount.
In the unfortunate event contracts cease and I have to make moves, would a clearance help bridge a personal lack of experience? I'm still in that "recent grad" window.


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1: I was referring to putting too much info about either job or personal goals and desires on an internet forum. At this point I am just trying to evaluate the entire picture (pay, benefits, what I would be doing, where I'd live, etc) since one job would require me to relocate. Should of made that clearer.

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Job A offers no clearance, is a DOE funded lab on Long Island, and funds all tuition (grad school) 100%.

Job B will need a clearance, is a DOD contractor in St. Mary's, and funds grad school around 66%.



In the unfortunate event contracts cease and I have to make moves, would a clearance help bridge a personal lack of experience? I'm still in that "recent grad" window.

Job B seems a better choice, but it also depends whether you want to relocate or not. Is Job A @ Brookhaven by any chance? (I'm from LI)

In the unfortunate event contracts cease and I have to make moves, would a clearance help bridge a personal lack of experience? I'm still in that "recent grad" window. - 100% yes.


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1: I was referring to putting too much info about either job or personal goals and desires on an internet forum. At this point I am just trying to evaluate the entire picture (pay, benefits, what I would be doing, where I'd live, etc) since one job would require me to relocate. Should of made that clearer.

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Job A offers no clearance, is a DOE funded lab on Long Island, and funds all tuition (grad school) 100%.

Job B will need a clearance, is a DOD contractor in St. Mary's, and funds grad school around 66%.



In the unfortunate event contracts cease and I have to make moves, would a clearance help bridge a personal lack of experience? I'm still in that "recent grad" window.
In my personal experience yes! When I didn't have a degree but I had a TS, our contract got cut. The new company made everyone reapply for their jobs. They did it at a open house. There was some new people that applied too. The one that shocked me the most was a guy with a PHD in information systems management. They asked if he had a clearance. He said no, they replied then we cant use you.

So I was more qualified for the position without even an associates than a guy with graduate level experience.
YMMV

The problem stems from who has to sponsor you for the clearance. That means someone has to pay $$$$$. It's usually the employer. If you're a DOD civilian then this added cost seems to not matter so highly. Im sure it does but they are willing to pay it as opposed to the private sector.


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Factor in the cost of living and commuting in Long Island vs St Marys also.
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Job B seems a better choice, but it also depends whether you want to relocate or not. Is Job A @ Brookhaven by any chance? (I'm from LI)

In the unfortunate event contracts cease and I have to make moves, would a clearance help bridge a personal lack of experience? I'm still in that "recent grad" window. - 100% yes.
I forgot to add...Job B got bought out by Booz Allen in the middle of the interviewing process. Not really sure how to take that in since it'll be the same job but with a larger corporate entity...

Yea, BNL is job A.

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In my personal experience yes! When I didn't have a degree but I had a TS, our contract got cut. The new company made everyone reapply for their jobs. They did it at a open house. There was some new people that applied too. The one that shocked me the most was a guy with a PHD in information systems management. They asked if he had a clearance. He said no, they replied then we cant use you.

So I was more qualified for the position without even an associates than a guy with graduate level experience.
YMMV

The problem stems from who has to sponsor you for the clearance. That means someone has to pay $$$$$. It's usually the employer. If you're a DOD civilian then this added cost seems to not matter so highly. Im sure it does but they are willing to pay it as opposed to the private sector.
Wow, very interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

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Factor in the cost of living and commuting in Long Island vs St Marys also.
Cost of living is a large factor in deciding.


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Cost of living is a large factor in deciding.
Nearest track is ~4hrs away if you move to LI


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Take the job with Booz Allen. They don't do shit and make a ton not doing it. You might have to earn your money at Job A
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booz allen well know to over work their employees, but I don't know if it applies to civ engs


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This. They generally pay well, but you work for every cent. May not be the same though since it is an acquisition.


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Get the clearance, once you're in, you're in. But it's hard to find an opportunity where they look to clear someone brand new. So take it


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