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Socialized Medicine ... - October 14, 2008, 01:51 PM

So awesome, that Britain's national health service sends its staff to private doctors.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...privately.html

by Graham Tibbetts
Last Updated: 3:19AM BST 14 Oct 2008


The money was used to bring in physiotherapists to help workers recover from muscular-skeletal injuries at West Suffolk Hospital in Bury St Edmunds.
Bosses said it prevented them from leapfrogging NHS patients and enabled them to return to work more quickly.
However, the private treatment, which amounted to 12,116 for 271 appointments over the past year, was described by critics as "shocking".
Mark Wallace of the TaxPayers' Alliance said: "Their staff should have to wait like everybody else.
"Perhaps if they experienced it as their customers - that is the taxpayer - experienced it, they might be a little keener to improve their waiting times."
Frances Jackson, a patient who receives physiotherapy treatment from the hospital, said: "It's great that staff are being catered for because there is a need for it - they do get work-related injuries which can lead to osteoarthritis.
"But what about everybody else? There's an amazing amount of people who can't afford private physiotherapy.
"They need to appoint more physiotherapists and bring the waiting lists down."
Jan Bloomfield, executive director of workforce and communications at the hospital, said: "In line with national best practice, and with policies adopted by other major employers, we offer a physiotherapy service to help staff with specific work-related problems.
"Staff must meet very precise criteria to receive the service, which offers good value for money as it helps them get back to work quickly so they can continue to provide high quality care to our patients, avoiding the need to draft in expensive locum care."
She added: "Funding for the service is generated by our occupational health team, who go into businesses to advise on health and safety, and is not taken from budgets set aside for patient care.
"We are currently looking at whether it would be cost-effective to extend the service to offer different types of rehabilitation to staff."


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So awesome, that Britain's national health service sends its staff to private doctors.

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by Graham Tibbetts
Last Updated: 3:19AM BST 14 Oct 2008


The money was used to bring in physiotherapists to help workers recover from muscular-skeletal injuries at West Suffolk Hospital in Bury St Edmunds.
Bosses said it prevented them from leapfrogging NHS patients and enabled them to return to work more quickly.
However, the private treatment, which amounted to 12,116 for 271 appointments over the past year, was described by critics as "shocking".
Mark Wallace of the TaxPayers' Alliance said: "Their staff should have to wait like everybody else.
"Perhaps if they experienced it as their customers - that is the taxpayer - experienced it, they might be a little keener to improve their waiting times."
Frances Jackson, a patient who receives physiotherapy treatment from the hospital, said: "It's great that staff are being catered for because there is a need for it - they do get work-related injuries which can lead to osteoarthritis.
"But what about everybody else? There's an amazing amount of people who can't afford private physiotherapy.
"They need to appoint more physiotherapists and bring the waiting lists down."
Jan Bloomfield, executive director of workforce and communications at the hospital, said: "In line with national best practice, and with policies adopted by other major employers, we offer a physiotherapy service to help staff with specific work-related problems.
"Staff must meet very precise criteria to receive the service, which offers good value for money as it helps them get back to work quickly so they can continue to provide high quality care to our patients, avoiding the need to draft in expensive locum care."
She added: "Funding for the service is generated by our occupational health team, who go into businesses to advise on health and safety, and is not taken from budgets set aside for patient care.
"We are currently looking at whether it would be cost-effective to extend the service to offer different types of rehabilitation to staff."
I don't pretend to know all the in's and out's of what needs to be done in our health care system.
I will say that I am not that impressed with many of the doctors I have been to in my plan. My current doctor seems to really care and has spent more time talking with me and making sure I am actually ok than a doctor has in a long time.
Most seem to just be interested in getting in as many patients as they can in a day.
I will say one thing, insurance that doctors have to pay for mal-practice is hurting all of us.


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I will say one thing, insurance that doctors have to pay for mal-practice is hurting all of us.
Agree.

We need to fix the legal system ... not permanently destroy the medical one.


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There is no perfect health care system. But the American system definately sucks. Yes, people in the UK will sometimes get stuck on a waitlist for some random procedures but at the same time, things like medical bills related bacruptcies are a completely foreign concept for them.

I also hate how in the US doctors are often salemen drumming up business. As an example, when my mom broke her leg, she clearly stated what insurance she has and asked them to work within the confines and limitations of the policy. The insurance was supposed to cover everything and it wasn't supposed to be a problem. But after the fact, when insurance company went through the bills, it turns out that the Doc chose to use some more expensive brand name stuff even though there was no reason not to use generic, leaving my mom to pay some substantial bills that covered the diffrence ($X,XXX). My parents can cover that expense, but alot of people can't, and I would hate to have something more than a broken bone happen to me in the US under my crappy Cigna coverage. You never know when you might get screwed. True, one can always be more practive and make sure that one clears the cost of every bandaid with the insurance company first, but the system prays on people that are in vulnerable state of mind because they are thinking about their injuries lying in the hospital bed instead of their insurance policy indiosycracies.

That said, I'm not really sure how I would go about fixing this mess.
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There is no perfect health care system. But the American system definately sucks. Yes, people in the UK will sometimes get stuck on a waitlist for some random procedures but at the same time, things like medical bills related bacruptcies are a completely foreign concept for them.

I also hate how in the US doctors are often salemen drumming up business. As an example, when my mom broke her leg, she clearly stated what insurance she has and asked them to work within the confines and limitations of the policy. The insurance was supposed to cover everything and it wasn't supposed to be a problem. But after the fact, when insurance company went through the bills, it turns out that the Doc chose to use some more expensive brand name stuff even though there was no reason not to use generic, leaving my mom to pay some substantial bills that covered the diffrence ($X,XXX). My parents can cover that expense, but alot of people can't, and I would hate to have something more than a broken bone happen to me in the US under my crappy Cigna coverage. You never know when you might get screwed. True, one can always be more practive and make sure that one clears the cost of every bandaid with the insurance company first, but the system prays on people that are in vulnerable state of mind because they are thinking about their injuries lying in the hospital bed instead of their insurance policy indiosycracies.

That said, I'm not really sure how I would go about fixing this mess.

Don't worry if Obama Binladen gets elected we will have a socialized health care and then we will have to wait ONE effing month just to make an appointment.
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There is no perfect health care system. But the American system definately sucks. Yes, people in the UK will sometimes get stuck on a waitlist for some random procedures but at the same time, things like medical bills related bacruptcies are a completely foreign concept for them.

I also hate how in the US doctors are often salemen drumming up business. As an example, when my mom broke her leg, she clearly stated what insurance she has and asked them to work within the confines and limitations of the policy. The insurance was supposed to cover everything and it wasn't supposed to be a problem. But after the fact, when insurance company went through the bills, it turns out that the Doc chose to use some more expensive brand name stuff even though there was no reason not to use generic, leaving my mom to pay some substantial bills that covered the diffrence ($X,XXX). My parents can cover that expense, but alot of people can't, and I would hate to have something more than a broken bone happen to me in the US under my crappy Cigna coverage. You never know when you might get screwed. True, one can always be more practive and make sure that one clears the cost of every bandaid with the insurance company first, but the system prays on people that are in vulnerable state of mind because they are thinking about their injuries lying in the hospital bed instead of their insurance policy indiosycracies.

That said, I'm not really sure how I would go about fixing this mess.
I think sometimes these are little scams the doctors play with insurance. They know many times insurance will subtract huge amounts of their charges but if they put stuff on their that they won't cover at all they will get full price. To me this is again a problem for the legal system and something they shouldn't be allowed to do unless there is a good reason.

With that said our medical system and pharmaceutical are in bed together and need a divorce. They prescribe the next great and sometimes very expensive thing their dealer brings to them. We don't care so much about curing anything but treating with expensive drugs.

When I had surgery I made sure the doctor accepted my insurance.
After the surgery I got a bill from the gasser for the full charge of his service because he didn't accept my insurance.
Luckily for me i called my doctor and told him what was happening and he said he would take care of it and I never heard about it again.
To me if I choose you because you accept my insurance why would you use someone who didn't.


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you really need to go read something besides redneck journal!

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I'm all for any healthcare system that doesn't require me to sit in the little room with my pants off for 20 minutes waiting on the doctor, having 4 nurses accidentally walk in.


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Hmmm, what doc do you go to????


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I didn't say hot or even female nurses there chief.


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I didn't say hot or even female nurses there chief.
I know there I go assuming, sorry!


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You guys should watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...roundtheworld/

It's a little documentary where a guy goes to 5 countries to get a better feel for their health care system pros and cons.
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are you that ignorant, seriously?
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wow.. cheap shot at socialized health care. Surprised it wasn't pulled from Fox

not all socialized health care is created equal - ever used one? didn't think so....


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It's a little documentary where a guy goes to 5 countries to get a better feel for their health care system pros and cons.
2 of my co-workers just came back from our philippines office.
1 of them was sick all the time from the pollution and went to the hospital. She had some real horror stories! Grass is always greener until you step into it!


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