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Speed Cameras To Come Under Public Review As Cash Cows or Life Saving By Government - July 13, 2011, 09:07 PM

Looks as if this may trigger a precedent in England. And if there, you can expect it will be brought over here and cited.

'Cash cow' speed cameras will be named for transparency drive.



The speed cameras raking in the most money are to be identified for the first time.


Road safety minister Mike Penning said: ‘We want to stop motorists being used as cash cows. For too long information about speed cameras has been hidden in the shadows. This data will end that by clearly showing whether a camera is saving lives or just making money.’


Motorists will be able to see previously unavailable figures showing the number of speeding prosecutions and the accident rate at camera sites.
In a victory for drivers, the move could spell the end for those cameras that do not save lives.

Gatso speed camera on the M11 southbound between junctions 5 and 4 in Essex where there has been an increase in accidents

Although ministers do not have the power to make local authorities switch the cameras off, they expect public pressure will force them to dismantle any shown to be merely money-spinners.
Until now, councils have been reluctant to reveal which cameras brought in the most revenue from fines, with details having to be prised out of them using Freedom of Information laws.
Mike Penning MP said the government don't want information about speed cameras to be hidden any more



Critics say the cameras are used to raise money rather than save lives. The income from fines goes to the Treasury, not the councils responsible for installing and managing them in partnership with the police.
Now local authorities have until July 20 to start publishing the numbers of accidents and casualties at camera sites, both before and after they were installed.


The information will create a league table of Britain’s busiest speed cameras and show their effectiveness in saving lives.



There are now about 6,000 of the cameras in Britain, estimated to be generating £100million a year in fines. Information on collisions and casualties dating back to 1990 will have to be made public.


Research suggests speed cameras have triggered at least 28,000 crashes since 2001. Motorists who spot one ahead often drive erratically, lose concentration and brake suddenly, causing problems for other drivers. More than 80 per cent of drivers say they look at their speedometers rather than the car in front when they approach one.



Launching the transparency drive yesterday, Mr Penning said: ‘This will expose where cameras are and are not doing their job.
‘We can only do what we do with road safety if people believe it isn’t just about raising money but is about saving lives. What this will show is where there weren’t any accidents before, and accidents afterwards are minimal, or may even have gone up because people have reacted differently.
‘But it will also expose where accidents have dropped.’


Peter Roberts, of the Drivers’ Alliance group, said: ‘Speed cameras don’t improve safety. They’re often placed to generate the maximum revenue. Speed is to blame for only 4.7 per cent of accidents.’



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July 13, 2011, 09:11 PM

just like those over head signs cause people to go from 55 or 65 to 40 mph suddenly just so they can read the sign to find out traffic is doing just fine. But I guess the photo radar makes money for the government and the signs over head make money for who? insurance companies? i donno.


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lol i always forget that speed cameras main purpose is to reduce accidents....maybe because the areas they are placed tend to be accident free...but maybe high speed areas...

so if the speed limit is for saftey and a area with a speed limit of say 35 average actualy about 50.... with no history of accident.. do you think it should be subject to speed enforcement?


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lol i always forget that speed cameras main purpose is to reduce accidents....maybe because the areas they are placed tend to be accident free...but maybe high speed areas...

so if the speed limit is for saftey and a area with a speed limit of say 35 average actualy about 50.... with no history of accident.. do you think it should be subject to speed enforcement?

i dont have an answer really, but it should be re-surveyed for an appropriate speed.

the other night i was coming home late, getting close to a construction zone, wasn't sure if the speed cameras were out or not, but slowed down to be safe. as i got closer i see *flash flash flash.
literally the camera was going off on every car!

made me lol and glad i had slowed down.


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lol i always forget that speed cameras main purpose is to reduce accidents....maybe because the areas they are placed tend to be accident free...but maybe high speed areas...

so if the speed limit is for saftey and a area with a speed limit of say 35 average actualy about 50.... with no history of accident.. do you think it should be subject to speed enforcement?
Seriously, it's a frigging bullshit racket.
When have you ever seen an accident on:
New York Ave to 50 as you're leaving DC pass the aboretum?
East Capitol Street under the bridge as you head to RFK?
3rd St. Tunnel?
McArthur Ave?
295 past Benning Rd?

And these are just the areas where I know they keep camera cars. I've never seen an accident on these roads except the 3rd Street tunnel and that was much further into the tunnel.



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i think the retarded thing is people slow down for the camera-pass camera-speed back up

kinda redundant right?


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i think the retarded thing is people slow down for the camera-pass camera-speed back up

kinda redundant right?
I view them as virtual speed humps.


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Seriously, it's a frigging bullshit racket.
When have you ever seen an accident on:
New York Ave to 50 as you're leaving DC pass the aboretum?
East Capitol Street under the bridge as you head to RFK?
3rd St. Tunnel?
McArthur Ave?
295 past Benning Rd?

And these are just the areas where I know they keep camera cars. I've never seen an accident on these roads except the 3rd Street tunnel and that was much further into the tunnel.
Thats what I was thinking... most of the ones in DC are placed in non-accident kind of areas, but high speed areas.

So it goes back to....

The speed limits are made to create a safe area, but if the area is somewhat safe is the speed cameras just for money or to maintain the law.


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It is a road tax, nothing more. Anyone in state / local government, police of any flavor who says otherwise is lying.

It’s very simple:
An officer + car can write about 10 tickets an hour at the very most netting - say 250 / ticket = 2500.00

A camera can take, literally, thousands of pictures in an hour and at say 50.00 / ticket * 1000 = $50,000.00. Even if 1/2 are dismissed that is still a net of $25,000.00 / hour; which works 24/7 with no retirement, no health care, no nothing unless someone burns it.

I seriously doubt that any broke ass city such as DC would turn down what they consider "free money". DC has been trying for years to get a commuter tax. I guess the DC government has figured a way to pay for the Escalade’s with 26” Dubs and the $30,000.00 Master P designed stereo installed the city council has been using.
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