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Speeding Ticket Help - December 20, 2012, 07:31 AM

So I got a ticket. And from a motorman! (an HD riding friend of mine said it's prejudice against Suzuki )

Anyway, he used a Radar or Lidar gun and I was in a group of cars.

Apparently the TU is so light and doesn't have enough metal/weight to activate traffic signal sensors or garage entrance/exit sensors. I know those "SLOW DOWN" signs with the light up numbers that are on the side of the road can't "see" a TU. Also there's that pic of the guy riding a TU and the traffic camera stated he was going 142 mph.
(For anyone that doesn't know, a Suzuki TU is a 250cc bike that can maybe break 100 if your going down a long enough, steep enough hill and have a strong tail wind.)

Because of these things I'm wondering if the speed guns can even pick the TU up?

If anybody has any info on this I'd be grateful. I'm looking for anything I can take to court with me, even if it's anecdotal. For instance if there were more pics like the 142 mph then I would think a stack of them (along with whatever else I can collect) could prove unreliability of the gun.

I've always taken my lumps when earned but this time I don't deserve it. There was a pod of cars and I was working to not get run over. When the cop walked out into the middle of two lanes two columns of cars stopped. He picked me out as the easiest to wave over, not because the gun locked on my vehicle. I'd take it if I deserved it but not this time.


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December 20, 2012, 08:26 AM

pictures of other radar systems failing will not prove you innocent

always ask to see your speed on radar. It's not a way to get out of a ticket, it's simply a way to prove to yourself that they actually picked you up. if you're searching for an excuse maaaaaybe that could have helped / reduced your offense

unfortunately in traffic court, you are guilty until proven innocent

show up and hope for the charges to be reduced


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December 20, 2012, 08:28 AM

Yes, radar can and will pick you up and LIDAR most definitely is effective against you. Which one he used will be important in your defense. If he got you on LIDAR, there isn't much you can do there. If he got you on radar, you have a few options.

How fast did he say you were going and what was the posted speed limit?


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December 20, 2012, 08:38 AM

red light sensors and radar/lidar work in two different ways.
the first you complete a circuit using the metal in your bike, that's how some bikes (not just your TU) are not recognized.
second is...well a radar, that bounces signal off an upcoming vehicle, or your face to determine speed.


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December 20, 2012, 08:44 AM

There used to be an argument back in the day that motorcycles don't have enough frontal area to give a radar gun enough feedback to make an accurate determination of speed. It is still true for the cheap ones they put in "Your Speed" or "Slow Down" signs but has since become completely irrelevant for traffic stops as radar guns have advanced.
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December 20, 2012, 08:51 AM

Where were you when you got the ticket? What county?


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December 20, 2012, 09:37 AM

I was written for 44 in a 25. No, I didn't look at my speedo and I may have been over 25 but I wasn't up to 44.

Yes, I know the gun is sighted but I was on the far side of a full sized suv that kept moving faster than me while there were cars all around both of us. The cars ahead kept accelerating, opening a space and passed through the intersection then the cop stepped out and put his hand up. We all stopped and he pointed at me to wave over.


Thanks for the info about the speed signs. I wondered since I know the Bonnie will trip them but the TU won't.



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December 20, 2012, 09:38 AM

I read somewhere that the guns have a 15 degree field. Can't dig it up at the moment, but if you were that close to another car... might help you


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December 20, 2012, 09:45 AM

How much over the limit?

EDIT: just saw you reply ... 44 in a 25.

The first thing I always do is write into court and ask for a continuance - get the date pushed out another 2-4 months.

I have 50/50 success at the officer no appearing for the continuance hearing and the ticket is dismissed.

If the speed wasn't egregious, arrive to court early and speak with the Prosecutor. Tell them you intend to plead guilty in exchange for a recommendation to reduce fines/penalties. Should they agree - plead guilty and move on with life.

If they do not, plead not guilty ask for a continuance and tell the court you intend to retain council.

It's egregious. Find yourself a friendly motorcycle mechanic and get them to write you up a letter stating that there was a sprocket and gearing change made to your machine, but the speedometer was not re-calibrated - thus the speed registered on your speedometer was lower than the actual.

Typically a certified mechanic's report will get the courts to back off of throwing the hammer down on you.



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December 20, 2012, 09:46 AM

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How much over the limit?

The first thing I always do is write into court and ask for a continuance - get the date pushed out another 2-4 months.

I have 50/50 success at the officer no appearing for the continuance hearing and the ticket is dismissed.

If the speed wasn't egregious, arrive to court early and speak with the Prosecutor. Tell them you intend to plead guilty in exchange for a recommendation to reduce fines/penalties. Should they agree - plead guilty and move on with life.

If they do not, plead not guilty ask for a continuance and tell the court you intend to retain council.

BTW - How did you go over the limit on one of these?

I've never seen a prosecutor at a traffic case. It's always cop and judge.


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December 20, 2012, 09:49 AM

If it's a simple speeding ticket, the single most effective thing you can do is simply show up to court. Anything beyond that for routine traffic charges is pointless and can actually work against you. Just tell your side of the story and don't make stuff up. If you were going above the posted limit, you are guilty, end of story. It doesn't matter what others around you were doing. You broke the law, you're there in court to take responsibility for it.

Don't be too embarrassed to ask for a reduced or suspended sentence. I have always been pleasantly surprised at how much mileage I've gotten out of simply putting on a suit and tie, showing up on time, smiling and being polite, and asking for a break. I have always been pleasantly surprised at how easy-going traffic court judges have been too. Last time in, I even got PBJ for a wheelie simply for the asking.

I've had fortunate outcomes in court both in Virginia and in Maryland. Don't try to go toe to toe with the officer or the technology because you'll lose. This is the 21st Century, and tech and officer's word sticks in court. Go for the mercy. If you are going in Maryland and your record is clean through the past few years, you will get PBJ for the asking. Just look and act respectful.


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Just went to court for a ticket. Simply showing up in a suit, saying "guilty" and shaking the officer's hand as I walked up got me some good results.

Didn't get to go to driving school to dismiss it since I already did that once in the past 12 months, but I did get a break on the fine


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I've never seen a prosecutor at a traffic case. It's always cop and judge.
Negatory.

Depends on the county in Virginia.

In some counties you can line up and plea bargain with the prosecutor prior to the case. Commenting on her lovely brown locks tends to get you some leniency...


44 in 25 is typical BS ticket btw. Tag you for 19 miles over so you're supposed to be "happy" they didn't get you and just pay it. They do not expect you to show up for these in court. Some judges will think you already got a break by not having it written up as Reckless ( or 'wreckless' for .net diehards)


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I've never seen a prosecutor at a traffic case. It's always cop and judge.
Hmmm. Maybe VA handles traffic differently. In MD & DC they have a Prosecutor who handles the cases and does the report reading before the judge, then calls the Cop up to testify.



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