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Subaru Guys A Question - July 21, 2016, 03:27 PM

Last I recalled there were more than a few Subie guys on here.

Many seem to say that the Subies are the 'Japanese Jeep'. Relatively less tech laden, lower maintenance and durable.

I'm considering getting the parents a used small Subie crossover for the AWD ability, step-over height (flexibility and leg strength issues) and because the Passat 4Motion is beginning to act like a spoiled brat and I'm growing tired of 'Let's play CEL code bingo' every few months.

Thinking maybe a Forrester, Crosstrek, or the jacked up Sedan thing. 2010 - 2014 MY range. Maybe earlier if its in particular good shape.

Before I start digging deeper into research, as a quick reference, is there anything I should look out for or stay far far away from? Is there any year that was really great then the followed by "why did they do that?!" the next MY?



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Can't give you much feedback on 2010+ model years... but I had a 1995 Impreza with a 150k miles on it and loved it! Lived in upstate NY at the time (think Canada) and it was best thing ever in the snow or rain. Sure footed as a mountain goat and so fun to drive.

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Only complaints I have heard about the newest models is the quality of the interior seems to have gone down a bit. A lot of people complain about extra noise from the plastic that is used.

For some of the older XT models i know the Turbos were prone to failure.
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I am also very interested, particularly in the Forester. Need something to carry a dog and a baby, and apparently the jump steats / bed of my truck are not appropriate (so says my wife).

My biggest concern is maintenance and $ over the long-term. I don't like the rearward visibility in the CRV that much, and the Forester had really good reviews.
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Only complaints I have heard about the newest models is the quality of the interior seems to have gone down a bit. A lot of people complain about extra noise from the plastic that is used. For some of the older XT models i know the Turbos were prone to failure.
Turbo engine failures. Got it. Definitely will dig deeper on that topic. Was it a particular engine code or just an entire family if you know?



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I am also very interested, particularly in the Forester. Need something to carry a dog and a baby, and apparently the jump steats / bed of my truck are not appropriate (so says my wife). My biggest concern is maintenance and $ over the long-term. I don't like the rearward visibility in the CRV that much, and the Forester had really good reviews.
Concur on the CR-V. I took one for a quick spin 2 months ago in anticipation of this transition and not only did it feel "light" and disconnected, the rear visibility left a lot to be desired - and I have good vision and neck flexibility. For seniors it would be a blind spot disaster in wait.

Also the interior styling was a little Asian'y quirky.



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My ex-wife had a 2008 Forester X with a manual. Man that was fun to drive and fling around ramps. Surprised a lot of "tuners" with it. It was pretty darn reliable if I remember correctly.

Current girlfriend just bought a 2016 Crosstrek a few weeks ago. Obviously more tech now than what was in the Forester, and maybe just a little less room. It still has only a couple hundred miles on it so I haven't started drifting it onto 395 yet, but the steering feels good. Don't like the CVT, but I generally hate all automatics anyway so don't let that dissuade you. It does get incredible mileage, especially for an AWD vehicle. It shares a platform with the Impreza and the Forester. The Forester now is a little bigger, more powerful, and has a few other options than the XV. Here's a decent video of the differences:

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I had a 2006 Forrester XT. The turbos are generally fine if they aren't tuned or messed with. If buying used, try to make sure it is stock and has been stock.

The paint on mine also scratched very easily. I hope that they fixed that in the newer ones.

I only sold it so I could get a Touareg to tow my enclosed trailer. It was still a fine car. Fun to drive and great in the snow.


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I had a 2006 Forrester XT. The turbos are generally fine if they aren't tuned or messed with. If buying used, try to make sure it is stock and has been stock. The paint on mine also scratched very easily. I hope that they fixed that in the newer ones. I only sold it so I could get a Touareg to tow my enclosed trailer. It was still a fine car. Fun to drive and great in the snow.
Off topic but I really really liked the Gen 1 Touareg Diesels. Still want one.



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Off topic but I really really liked the Gen 1 Touareg Diesels. Still want one.
You wouldn't like the maintenance bill. That V10 pretty much requires super car level maintenance bills, particularly as they get older.


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Forgot the interesting part of having the XT with the 5 speed manual. It was the handling with the constant 50/50 torque split.

In the dry if you were hard in the throttle, the front end would get light and it would plow like a dump truck. Lift to get the amount of turn you needed.

In the snow it was just the opposite. Plowed like mad if you were on the brakes. Brake in a straight line. At turn in point, get into the gas a bit and turn the wheel and the back end would come around, but very controllable. Then just steer using the throttle around the corner. Add throttle as you straighten the wheel.

The only time that thing was neutral handling was in a heavy rain.

I believe that was unique to the Forester XT. The firmer suspension in the WRX didn't act quite this way. Neither did the STi or the automatics because of the different torque split set ups. The non-turbos didn't have enough power to create the major under steer in the dry, but were probably similar otherwise.


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Subaru had a little bit of a head gasket issue back in the 90's. I had a '98 forester affected by it. That car also had a rear wheel bearing go out, which is kind of rare. I think the miles on that car came up to something close to 200K before ditching it. It was a great car, never any other issues with it.

I had a 04 Impreza for a few years that was fantastic. Not one single mechanical issue, ever. I sold it because I got to a point where I rarely drove it because I commuted by KTM and because I wanted a truck.

My next car will be a WRX. What car guys tell me is that the Subaru engines don't hold up that well to heavy modifications. I just want a factory turbo and am content to drive it stock without sinking a bunch of money and time into it. That's where Subaru shines.

By the way, Top Gear tested the WRX Sti against the comparable Evo. While the Evo turned a few more horses and was faster in 0-60, the WRX ate it up on the track.


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You wouldn't like the maintenance bill. That V10 pretty much requires super car level maintenance bills, particularly as they get older.
Yes. Anything with a V10 is going to be crazy balls expensive to maintain as it gets older. But I love that VW was bold enough to design and import the audacious and slightly bonkers diesel variant.

Twin turbo V10 diesel in a passenger car; I don't think it's ever been done.



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My ex-wife had a 2008 Forester X with a manual. Man that was fun to drive and fling around ramps. Surprised a lot of "tuners" with it. It was pretty darn reliable if I remember correctly. Current girlfriend just bought a 2016 Crosstrek a few weeks ago. Obviously more tech now than what was in the Forester, and maybe just a little less room. It still has only a couple hundred miles on it so I haven't started drifting it .... a decent video of the differences: Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Thanks. This is one of the items that is giving me a little pause. I don't know much about CVT transmissions, but everything I hear / read about them has words and phrases in it like "can be fragile, odd and unnatural feeling, slow response."

After reviewing some reliability and cold weather test videos and reviews, The CX-5 may go in the consideration pile.
Hyundai / Kia Tuscan, a possibility.
Ford Escape, VW Tiguan, Honda CR-V, Jeep Patriot, Chevy Equinox, Mitsubishi are all out.



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