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The American E36 M3 is not a real M3. What BMW gave America was a 320i with a M3 body kit and some tweaks. An M-Sport appearance package is what it would be called today.

We received a totally different suspension set-up, non-free floated brakes, and different non-M engine down ~50 hp as compared to the real M3 available everywhere else in the world.

I'll never consider the American E36 M3 a real M3, and am surprised BMW didn't find themselves in a class action lawsuit over it. It wasn't even close in performance to the real M3s.
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I drove my friend's "real" M3 in Italy and the US spec version when at Fleming's. Not even cousins. And I would NEVER sink 10k on a 320 with bolt on parts, no disrespect intended.

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(M)iata (I)s (A)lways (T)he (A)nswer

Other than that, high mileage S2000, 350Z, MR2 Spyder, and Cooper S (some years to be avoided) can be had in that range and should be (relatively) easy to keep in good order.
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Best part about spec Miata is that you can just pull of the track and go cruising for dicks afterwards.
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+2 for 4th Gen F-body from 1998-2002. I've had 4 of them...I might love them.

They come in t-top versions too, cheap to mod, easy to make tons of power, lots of aftermarket.


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Massive aftermarket too.
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+2 for 4th Gen F-body from 1998-2002. I've had 4 of them...I might love them.

They come in t-top versions too, cheap to mod, easy to make tons of power, lots of aftermarket.
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They aren't that bad, if your remarks were in sarcasm.

Set of subframes and a strut tower and they tighten up.

Full aftermarket control arms and they track pretty well.
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I think you get more bang for your $ with the Fbody. Like BH said you can tighten them up cheap.. The point is cheap right? Fuck a 350z go for 350ci!
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By the time you finish tightening up and mildly tuning an F-body, you can get a C5 Vette.
Out the box it'll handle better and go faster than an F Body, 350Z, etc etc.



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By the time you finish tightening up and mildly tuning an F-body, you can get a C5 Vette.
Out the box it'll handle better and go faster than an F Body, 350Z, etc etc.
Faster than a 350z in a straight line, yes. Faster around a track or a corner no. But I'd say that is also a cool option


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Faster than a 350z in a straight line, yes. Faster around a track or a corner no. But I'd say that is also a cool option
Not wanting to sound like a "Murrica" homer here, but tell me how the car that weights about 500lbs more and has 50 less HP is quicker around the track.

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Assuming we are talking about a stock and base model 350Z (comparing base model to base model), the Vette is quicker, faster, brakes harder, weighs considerably less, and has more lateral grip.

Outside of getting 1 mpg better in the Z, how is it going to be quicker on the track?
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this is supposed to be a low cost weekend fuck-around car - not a track car. we aren't fighting for tenths of seconds.

s2000 or 350z are cool but I just love a loud stick shift v8 with no roof.

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I quite enjoy my 02 WRX with some mods. It didn't take much to turn it into a beast. Lots of after market parts. Plus is was CHEAP. Picked it up for under 2k. Put another 2-3k into it. I'd put it up against a 350 z any day.


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Not wanting to sound like a "Murrica" homer here, but tell me how the car that weights about 500lbs more and has 50 less HP is quicker around the track.

2003 Corvette

Max horsepower @ rpm 350 @ 5600 Max torque @ rpm 375 @ 4400 Transmission 6-speed manual Curb weight, lb 3248 0-60 mph, sec 4.72 1/4 mile, sec @ mph 13.02 @ 109.59 Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 115 200-ft skidpad, lateral g 0.88 600-ft slalom, mph 66.4

Assuming we are talking about a stock and base model 350Z (comparing base model to base model), the Vette is quicker, faster, brakes harder, weighs considerably less, and has more lateral grip.

Outside of getting 1 mpg better in the Z, how is it going to be quicker on the track?
In stock form it's called CHASSIS and brakes: take that vette and the Z around a track on a 10 lap race and see who finishes in front and who simply doesn't have the right geometry, brakes, handling to keep up. I am not talking out of my ass here, I spent 7 years of my life working in the car racing business in Europe and the Middle East and I've seen countless "sunday races" that were a sideshow to what we were doing. For a weekend warrior a 350z is FAR superior to a Corvette in everything except a straight line.

Having said this he's looking for FUN, not necessarily FAST, so the Corvette with it's sound and looks is a solid contender.


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Having said this he's looking for FUN, not necessarily FAST
FUN & FAST is always the goal whether we're talking cars, bikes, women......


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I am quite familiar with chasis and brakes.

Still waiting for you to explain to me how a car that is 500lbs lighter, has bigger brakes (i.e. stops harder and shorter), and has a better lateral acceleration number is going to be slower around the track.

500lbs is not a small number. On a track that would be huge and clearly harder on brakes, cornering, and acceleration out of the turns.

Not trying to be a dick here, but one persons anecdotal experience vs. the numbers doesn't exactly an argument make.

Perhaps the condition and maintenance of the car comes into play here? I wouldn't argue that both cars, with similar age and mileage, the Z will likely be in better shape.
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