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Tacomas and Payload - November 27, 2007, 04:26 PM

According to my trusty owner manual my truck with 2 persons aboard has a published "cargo weight rating" of 900#. It suffer terribly from bottoming with my normal load of about 400#. I found a TSB that leads to replacing the leaf springs to a 4 leaf. While I was in Ourisman Chantilly Toyota today I inquired about the TSB. They said that there is a problem with the springs flatening, well mine are. They also said the actual payload capsity in only 545#! WTF! Um its a truck not a wagon. Oh, and because my 06 has 50k.....have a nice day.
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My tacoma just hauled an enclosed trailer, two bikes, a full bed of tools/wheels/equipment/spares... and I forgot anything was behind it several times. We estimate around 2500-3000 lbs of stuff.

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November 27, 2007, 04:39 PM

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My tacoma just hauled an enclosed trailer, two bikes, a full bed of tools/wheels/equipment/spares... and I forgot anything was behind it several times. We estimate around 2500-3000 lbs of stuff.

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That's not payload.



Edit: Well sort of, but doesn't seem near the 900lbs he was talking about.

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November 27, 2007, 04:47 PM

I've always understood payload to be weight of cargo...

I could be wrong. The cool thing is it was all on my rear springs and I didn't really have any problems.

Perhaps you could clarify the issue.


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I've always understood payload to be weight of cargo...

I could be wrong. The cool thing is it was all on my rear springs and I didn't really have any problems.

Perhaps you could clarify the issue.
Well most of the weight you listed is on the wheels of your trailer. What's the tongue weight of the trailer? 500lbs (Class 3 - see that other thread)? So do you have 400lbs of tools/spares that you put in the truck bed? If you do, hey buddy, wanna be my friend?
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My tacoma just hauled an enclosed trailer, two bikes, a full bed of tools/wheels/equipment/spares... and I forgot anything was behind it several times. We estimate around 2500-3000 lbs of stuff.

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Sir, I know you get a woody for your Taco. To me it is nothing more than a tool. If a TSB has been issued I must not be alone in my concern. I have no clue who the service manager was talking or where they got the info but, 545 is a long way from 900. this time of year I also pull a 2800# pound trailer 2 or 3 times a week. There is no question it PULLS at trailer without problem.
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November 27, 2007, 04:58 PM

Marc, do you think we had 400+ pounds of spares?

I'd imagine it was around there, we could have fixed a semi on the way down, spare wheels, gas cans, easily well over 400 lbs in the bed. I would imagine it was more like 500+ plus the tongue weight... once again fellas... dont know what to tell you the math's pretty simple...

You're going to have to be Marcs friend, he's the one with every tool imaginable to mankind. In any case is your truck a 2x4?


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Marc, do you think we had 400+ pounds of spares?

I'd imagine it was around there, we could have fixed a semi on the way down, spare wheels, gas cans, easily well over 400 lbs in the bed. I would imagine it was more like 500+ plus the tongue weight... once again fellas... dont know what to tell you the math's pretty simple...

You're going to have to be Marcs friend, he's the one with every tool imaginable to mankind. In any case is your truck a 2x4?
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November 27, 2007, 05:08 PM

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I've always understood payload to be weight of cargo...

I could be wrong. The cool thing is it was all on my rear springs and I didn't really have any problems.

Perhaps you could clarify the issue.
Payload is generally the vertical component of load, supported by the vehicle's frame and suspension, onto the tires. People, fuel, items in the cab or bed, and tongue weight are all components pushing down.

Towing capacity is the horizontal component of weight the vehilcle can pull. It is almost always several times the payload capacity, because the trailer wheels support it, but can very with the design strength of the hitch and its mounting hardware, the frame, suspension components, vehicle braking capacity (and trailer braking capacity), etc.
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November 27, 2007, 05:20 PM

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Marc, do you think we had 400+ pounds of spares?

I'd imagine it was around there, we could have fixed a semi on the way down, spare wheels, gas cans, easily well over 400 lbs in the bed. I would imagine it was more like 500+ plus the tongue weight... once again fellas... dont know what to tell you the math's pretty simple...

You're going to have to be Marcs friend, he's the one with every tool imaginable to mankind. In any case is your truck a 2x4?
hmm...
15gal of gas = 90lbs
SV wheels and tires = 40lbs?
spare front and rear tire = 20lbs?
big bin = 40-50lbs
little bin = 30lbs
box o' electrical = 10lbs
toolbox = 80lbs
ramp = 20lbs
two full sets of gear @ 20lbs each
say 10lbs of clothes and stuff each
marc+ben = 410lbs

payload in truck: 810lbs (ish, half in the bed) + 200lbs of tongue weight

small trailer with two bikes, (haulmark 5x8 ) 1100lbs + 900lbs of bikes and stands, 2000lbs


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[quote=PitPig]Payload is generally the vertical component of load, supported by the vehicle's frame and suspension, onto the tires. People, fuel, items in the cab or bed, and tongue weight are all components pushing down. quote]

By the way, this is one issue you can control to some extent. If you think you have a tongue weight/ truck payload issue, it is possible to adjust the tongue weight by shifting some of the load in the trailer to the rear. That moves the Center of Gravity aft in the trailer and unloads the tongue. Most trailers suggest that about 65% of the weight be forward of the trailer wheels/35% aft. You could shift to 60/40 to lighten the tongue a little, and or move you cargo forward in the truck bed. But, do NOT shift too much weight aft...if you unload the tongue too much, it can place upward pressure on the ball connection when the vehicle/trailers bounces and potentially cause the trailer adapter to bounce off the ball (if the connection is loose or the capture clip breaks), then you lose the load!!! CG management is a real art!!!
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November 27, 2007, 06:25 PM

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So do you have 400lbs of tools/spares that you put in the truck bed? If you do, hey buddy, wanna be my friend?
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November 27, 2007, 06:36 PM

Tacoma rear suspensions have always been pretty soft. The pre-05's used to sag to hell if you loaded them. My 05 hauled 700 lbs of mostly cinder blocks & misc junk back in summer of 05 - it was sagging, but not bottoming. That said if you're intending to regularly haul 700+ lbs you should have gotten a Tundra I would think.

That said, my bike full of gas has to be at least 400 pounds, and I've had it in the bed of my Tacoma so many times I can't even count - without it noticeably sagging, much less bottoming out.

Are you sure there's not something specifically wrong with your truck?

btw - I have no dog in this good taco, bad taco fight, I don't have my Taco anymore.


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November 27, 2007, 08:13 PM

hi ninja636

drop by our pit anytime at a TD or a race, I'm always working on something (since the guys I race with I don't trust to do anything other than ride faster than me, I'm the one doin' all the fixin')


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