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Toll prices not fair - May 24, 2007, 02:42 PM

Why do motorcycles have to pay the same toll as cars?

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Shouldn't motorcycles be 25 cents at the main gate and the on ramp?

Plus they are thinking about raising it to $1 dollar at the main gate to support phase two of the metro rail project.


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May 24, 2007, 02:43 PM

2 axles.......same as a car


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May 24, 2007, 02:48 PM

i think it is ridiculous. they don't even have a smaller version of the speedpass to put on a motorcycle. i have speedpass on my bike and it looks ridiculous. and that dammn thing doesn't stick very well to my windscreen. I agree that we shouldn't have to pay as much, but I also think that motorcycles should have a higher speed limit than cars..LOL


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May 24, 2007, 02:58 PM

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i think it is ridiculous. they don't even have a smaller version of the speedpass to put on a motorcycle. i have speedpass on my bike and it looks ridiculous. and that dammn thing doesn't stick very well to my windscreen. I agree that we shouldn't have to pay as much, but I also think that motorcycles should have a higher speed limit than cars..LOL
If you look at the NY, NJ and PA pages for EZpass they have a thing on there where they're working on a key-fob type transmitter for motorcycles. There's no eta on completion though.

I read in the paper that the toll road is supposed to increasing here soon. Another .75 on the greenway and .25 per gate on the Dulles road, I think is what it said.


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May 24, 2007, 02:58 PM

There is a company that makes a speedpass for motorcycles

It works for all the tolls, including the NJ Tpk. Some one posted about it a while ago.

you could also buy a holder:

http://www.legendaryusa.com/JJ_Cycle...jcyclepass.htm

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May 24, 2007, 03:00 PM

I totally agree. Two axles, yes, but half the wheels of a car, and therefore half the impact on the road (at most). Also, counts as an HOV and better gas mileage... we should lobby for this. Call your congressman!


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May 24, 2007, 03:02 PM

get a petition started!!!!!!


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While I agree with the sentiment, I can't really come up with a good reason why bikes shouldn't pay the same toll...

because of the size? Then should Miata's pay less than H2's?

because of # of passengers? Should toll now start being charged on a per-passenger basis? How do you implent that? "duck kids, we're at a toll booth!!"

If there's a good logical reason on why bikes should pay less tolls, i'd love to hear it, b/c I can't think of one.

Now them not having a motorcycle specific speedpass, that sucks... We should get them before anyone else, since fumbling around for change in riding gear tends to slow up the lines more than regular cars...


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May 24, 2007, 03:14 PM

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While I agree with the sentiment, I can't really come up with a good reason why bikes shouldn't pay the same toll...

because of the size? Then should Miata's pay less than H2's?

because of # of passengers? Should toll now start being charged on a per-passenger basis? How do you implent that? "duck kids, we're at a toll booth!!"

If there's a good logical reason on why bikes should pay less tolls, i'd love to hear it, b/c I can't think of one.

Now them not having a motorcycle specific speedpass, that sucks... We should get them before anyone else, since fumbling around for change in riding gear tends to slow up the lines more than regular cars...
Who drives a miata?

Bikes have less then half the weight and impact on the toll road. Cars pay less then trucks therefore bikes should pay less then cars.

a special pass for the bike would be great but half the cost to riders.


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May 24, 2007, 03:16 PM

They'd just argue that you're off-setting the price of the R&D to create the smaller pass for your bike and you'd continue paying the same price, if not more.

Consider the amount of bikes that actually use EZpass in comparison to the number of cars.


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They'd just argue that you're off-setting the price of the R&D to create the smaller pass for your bike and you'd continue paying the same price, if not more.

Consider the amount of bikes that actually use EZpass in comparison to the number of cars.
You might have a point. it would be worth a try?


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Well the whole idea behind the per axle fee is related to weight of the vehicle, and more specifically the load distributed to each wheel and the subsequent damage inflicted to the road surface. Arguably, a super compact car might distribute a similar load per wheel, but yes, a vehicle as heavy as a HMMWV would have a harder impact on the road. Some articles say that a fully loaded tractor trailer can have an impact as large as 36,000 times that of a passenger vehicle. Obviously they aren't going to charge them an equivalent fee.. so it seems to me the smaller vehicles are paying a subsidy to cover the costs of the larger vehicles. So yes, I do think a motorcyclist should get a break from the passenger vehicle rate. I'd be more inclined to use it when riding.


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May 24, 2007, 03:20 PM

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I read in the paper that the toll road is supposed to increasing here soon. Another .75 on the greenway and .25 per gate on the Dulles road, I think is what it said.
Private road = complete screwing

Congrats, we're about to get the most expensive toll road, by mile, in the nation. $4.80 each way by 2012.

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May 24, 2007, 03:26 PM

As stated before, motorcycle have very little impact on the road, they also reduce congestion and in many places in the country they pay less for a toll. For instance the Del. Bridge is cheaper for a bike than a car if memory serves me correctly.

You can have your EZPass coded for motorcycle to take advantage of those areas where a bike pays less.

Didn't the price of tolls on the Dulles Toll Road go up a year ago? Now they want to increase it again.

Why can't we get a local user volume discount? They have our EZPass stats and could start a discounted rate after so many trips thru a toll both each month.

The Greenway is ridiculous. My daughter lives in Winchester and I've stopped taking it when I go to see her.


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May 24, 2007, 03:33 PM

I would use the toll road more if it was a bit ceaper on my bike. Now I just go around it. It is usually a parking lot all the time anyway. Nothing worse then sitting there until your bike heats and starts blowing hot fumes on you during the hottest day of summer cause some dumb ass got in the exact change lane and forgot he did not have any change.


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