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August 10, 2014, 06:55 AM

Not entirely sure what I think of this one yet.

On one hand, it looks like Kevin Ward Jr jumps in front of Stewart in a way that would be almost impossible to avoid. Track was dark, kid's suit was dark. I'd imagine he was pretty hard to see.

On the other hand, it's Tony Stewart. He's not exactly known for doing all he can to avoid confrontation.

See for yourself.

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Warning: If Kevin Ward Jr died on impact, then the video in the article is NSFL.

http://deadspin.com/reports-tony-ste...ing-1618893708

http://nypost.com/2014/08/10/tony-st...on-dirt-track/


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August 10, 2014, 07:47 AM

Sad for all concerned. Prayers for the family and friends of the driver. I can't imagine Tony intended to hit him.


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I don't think Tony intended to hit him, but he did. Deep pockets and good lawyers will keep him out of the clink...but I think his career is toast.


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August 10, 2014, 08:56 AM

Sad, the victim ran out onto the racing line disregarding his own safety.


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I don't think Tony intended to hit him, but he did. Deep pockets and good lawyers will keep him out of the clink...but I think his career is toast.
Why toast? It's nice running your own team.


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Why toast? It's nice running your own team.
If it somehow comes out that this was intentional, which I doubt would happen, then it wouldn't matter at all if he owns and runs his own team.

He would be at the mercy of Nascar, and the police, not his own team.

I doubt anything will come of this.

The more I watch it the more it looks to be this poor kid's fault.

His suit is the same color as his car. The angle that smoke is coming in at would make it pretty damned hard to distinguish between a person in the middle of the racing line and a car just out of the racing line that is disabled.

Since no one would expect a person to be dumb/amped up enough to jump in to the racing line of these cars, I can't see them being able to fault smoke at all.


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August 10, 2014, 09:49 AM

Statements from witnesses are coming out that they heard Tony punch the gas as he came up to Ward. It maybe hard to prove intent in a criminal case but you know this will become a civil case and the burden of proof can be less.

In the end a 20 yr old young adult has lost his life. Both Ward and Stewart probably made a bad call that lead to someone losing their life. Thoughts and payers for all that are directly effected by this tragic event.


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A few things, first I'm no Stewart fan. In fact I can't stand him. However a couple of point I need to point out to those who don't follow this type of racing and know the cars characteristics. These cars do not drive well in a straight line as they are set up to slide left with minimal input during the slide. The tires are also staggered in such a way the the right rear extends out from the car further than the rest. The throttle blip you here I believe is to get the cars ass end to slide down the track and around the kid. If you slow the video down you can see the kid make one last step towards Stewart right before impact. Stewart is know as a hot head and frankly an asshole kind of like the Busch Bros fggts. Also the sherif just came out and announced that the investigation is NOT a criminal one. Had Stewart tried to hit him the kid would have been hit by the front wheel imo and not the back. Stewart has already shown his ass this morning by first have Gregg zippildeli his crew chief say it was "business as usual" today for the race. Later coming out to say Stewart is not racing. I hope Nascar bans his ass just based on his previous incidents. There was no reason Stewart needed to be up that far on the track under a caution when all the other drivers where one racing line lower.
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Sorry, victims fault. Running onto a hot track? Stupid fucking move.

The video doesn't show the entire track. One commentary seemed to indicate that Stewart was forced a bit high by the car in front of him. It's possible that he saw the guy at the last minute and tried to avoid him? Maybe? Dunno. I've got no dog in this fight either way. I don't watch nascrap, don't know anything about Stewart, and don't watch that type of racing typically. What I do know is that you never walk around on a hot track. That's just stupid. Sorry for the family of the victim. But he should have known better.


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We must be watching different vehicles and reading different reports. Steward goosed it on purpose. He might not of meant to hit him but he sure as hell meant to scare/bump him.

“I know Tony could see him,” Graves said. “I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two, and then it threw him about 50 yards.”

There are also reports of a GOPRO on board as well his team swapping his left and right rear tires. We will see how this shakes out but I hope they ban him for life from NASCAR.


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We must be watching different vehicles and reading different reports. Steward goosed it on purpose. He might not of meant to hit him but he sure as hell meant to scare/bump him. “I know Tony could see him,” Graves said. “I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two, and then it threw him about 50 yards.” There are also reports of a GOPRO on board as well his team swapping his left and right rear tires. We will see how this shakes out but I hope they ban him for life from NASCAR.
You're making a pretty big assumption.

Those cars a steered more by throttle than by anything else.

He certainly did accelerate on purpose. Probably with the intention of avoiding something that SHOULD NOT HAVE EVER BEEN ON THE TRACK.

the more I've watched this and read about these cars the more I can't find any reason to place blame on Stewart.

Like Adam, I can't stand him, but he's not the type of guy to intentionally run a kid down.


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I don't see Stewart as doing anything Civilly liable and certainly not Criminally negligent.

Let us take account of the steps that Ward took that make him culpable for his own demise:

(1) He got out the car. Almost all track marshal instructions to driver are to remain strapped inside the vehicle until the safety crew / marshals arrive unless the car is on fire.

(2) He walked onto a hot track instead of making his way to wall or directly to the infield.

(3) He entered the racing line while the track was hot.

(4) He then proceeded to run back and forth in the path of the racing line as to intentionally cause cars to swerve to get out his way. Unfortunately he zigged when he should have zagged and Stewart either didn't see him or couldn't react in time.

As the maxim goes: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He won!
This will be classified as a racing incident - a tragic one - but a racing incident nonetheless and fall under all the dangers, waivers, and indemnity clauses that go along with professional motorspots.

As an aside if you've watched motorsports for any length of time, how many times have we witness videos of wahoos spectators and corner workers running onto a track only to get creamed by an oncoming car.

The driver of the car is never held culpable. To me this incident would generally fall under the same category.



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When I was a early teen, I went to a couple of the Outlaw Sprint and Miget Car races when Riverhead Raceway on Long Island was still in operation.

If you look at the way they're set-up the body of the car is offset - with its right axles sticking out a good 2 feet further from the body then the left axles and a larger rear tire on the right rear.


The general principle is like rolling a paper cone on a table, the car will naturally want to turn toward the inner circumference.

So when Ward decides to jump into the road - in the path of Stewart who probably noticed too late - the quickest way to get the car to turn is to stab the gas and get the rear to break and begin assisting its natural turn in.



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The general principle is like rolling a paper cone on a table, the car will naturally want to turn toward the inner circumference.

So when Ward decides to jump into the road - in the path of Stewart who probably noticed too late - the quickest way to get the car to turn is to stab the gas and get the rear to break and begin assisting its natural turn in.
Ding Ding, I hope to hell they don't win any criminal or civil suit. I hate when people get bent over backwards because they have money. Is Stewart a great guy, probably not, but he still shouldn't see any repercussions based on this incident. I'm not sure why he would get banned from NASCAR because of this??? The problem is that because of the general ignorance of the population he might see some repercussions just based on $$ that might be lost if something isn't done to him FOR DOING NOTHING WRONG.... SMDH


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