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Top floor - Aliens, Asteroids, Darkness, and GOD - October 3, 2008, 11:38 AM

this is bananas on so many levels lol - first the LHC fails, now they want to make this??? crazzzzzy lol

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- A new space race is officially underway, and this one should have the sci-fi geeks salivating.


Lift to space: This is a NASA interpretation of what a space elevator may look like.

The project is a "space elevator," and some experts now believe the concept is well within the bounds of possibility -- maybe even within our lifetimes.

A conference discussing developments in space elevator concepts is being held in Japan in November, and hundreds of engineers and scientists from Asia, Europe and the Americas are working to design the only lift that will take you directly to the one hundred-thousandth floor.

Despite these developments, you could be excused for thinking it all sounds a little far-fetched.

Indeed, if successfully built, the space elevator would be an unprecedented feat of human engineering.

A cable anchored to the Earth's surface, reaching tens of thousands of kilometers into space balanced with a counterweight attached at the other end is the basic design for the elevator.

It is thought that inertia -- the physics theory stating that matter retains its velocity along a straight line so long as it is not acted upon by an external force -- will cause the cable to stay stretched taut, allowing the elevator to sit in geostationary orbit.

The cable would extend into the sky, eventually reaching a satellite docking station orbiting in space.

Engineers hope the elevator will transport people and objects into space, and there have even been suggestions that it could be used to dispose of nuclear waste. Another proposed idea is to use the elevator to place solar panels in space to provide power for homes on Earth.

If it sounds like the stuff of fiction, maybe that's because it once was.

In 1979, Arthur C. Clarke's novel "The Fountains of Paradise" first brought the idea of a space elevator to a mass audience. Charles Sheffield's "The Web Between the Worlds" also featured the building of a space elevator.

But, jump out of the storybooks, fast-forward nearly three decades and Japanese scientists at the Japan Space Elevator Association (JSEA) are working seriously on the space-elevator project.

JSEA spokesman Akira Tsuchida told CNN his organization was working with U.S.-based Spaceward Foundation and a European organization based in Luxembourg, to develop an elevator design.

The Liftport Group in the U.S. is also working on developing a design, and in total it's believed over 300 scientists and engineers are engaged in such work around the globe.

NASA is also holding a $4 million Space Elevator Challenge to encourage designs for a space elevator than can work.

Tsuchida said the technology driving the race to build the first space elevator is the quickly developing material carbon nanotube. It is lightweight and has a tensile strength 180 times stronger than steel cable. Currently, it is the only material with the potential to be strong enough to use to manufacture elevator cable, according to Tsuchida.

"At present we have a tether which is made of carbon nanotube, and has one third or one quarter of the strength required to make a space elevator. We expect that we will have strong enough cable in the 2020s or 2030s," Tsuchida said.

He said the most likely method of powering the elevator would be through the carbon nanotube cable.

So, what are the major logistical issues keeping the space elevator from being anything more than a dream at present?

Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Aeronautics and Astronautics Professor, Jeff Hoffman, said designing the carbon nanotube appeared to be the biggest obstacle.

"We are now on the verge of having material that has the strength to span the 30,000 km ... but we don't have the ability to make long cable out of the carbon nanotubes at the moment." he said. "Although I'm confident that within a reasonable amount of time we will be able to do this."

Tsuchida said one of the biggest challenges will be acquiring funding to move the projects forward. At present there is no financial backing for the space elevator project and all of JSEA's 100-plus members maintain other jobs to earn a living.

"Because we don't have a material which has enough strength to construct space elevator yet, it is difficult to change people's mind so they believe that it can be real," he said.

Hoffman feels international dialogue needs to be encouaraged on the issue. He said a number of legal considerations also would have to be taken into account.

"This is not something one nation or one company can do. There needs to be a worldwide approach," he said.

Other difficulties for space-elevator projects include how to build the base for the elevator, how to design it, and where to set up the operation.

Tsuchida said some possible locations for an elevator include the South China Sea, western Australia, and the Galapagos Islands in the Pacific Ocean. He said all of those locations usually avoided typhoons, which could pose a threat to the safety of an elevator.

"As the base of space elevator will be located on geosynchronous orbit, [the] space elevator ground station should be located near the Equator," he said.

While JSEA has set a time frame of the 2030s to get a space elevator under construction -- and developments are moving quickly -- Hoffman acknowledges it could be a little further away than that.

"I don't know if it's going to be in our lifetime or if it's 100 or 200 years away, but it's near enough that we can contemplate how it will work."

Building a space elevator is a matter of when, not if, said Hoffman, who believes it will herald a major new period in human history.

"It will be revolutionary for human technology, and not just for space travel. That's why so many people are pursuing it," he said. "This is what it will take to turn humans into a space-bearing species."
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No actually it is a very sound and realistic concept. Eventually it will be much cheaper to place things in orbit then conventional rockets. I studied the concept in College. And yes, I am a Rocket Scientist.

A few of us discussed this about a year ago. Space elevator

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October 3, 2008, 12:10 PM

Good idea but it's a big target for your enemies/terrorists. Would make getting stuff into orbit much cheaper though.


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No actually it is a very sound and realistic concept. Eventually it will be much cheaper to place things in orbit then conventional rockets. I studied the concept in College. And yes, I am a Rocket Scientist.

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But, jump out of the storybooks, fast-forward nearly three decades and Japanese scientists at the Japan Space Elevator Association (JSEA) are working seriously on the space-elevator project.
They have an entire association devoted to space elevators! HAAAAAAAAA!
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Would suck to be on the station when/if the cable broke.


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Would suck to be on the station when/if the cable broke.
Actually, yes it would. What holds the station in space is centrifugal force so imagine the world spinning at something like 1,038 miles an hour. Suddenly the cable broke and off you go. You would be at extra-orbital speed immediately. Incidentally that is one concept being looked at to raise payloads in to orbit. A giant space station with an arm that comes almost to the surface can then pick up loads and toss them into space. Author C. Clark wrote about it a few times.
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Actually, yes it would. What holds the station in space is centrifugal force so imagine the world spinning at something like 1,038 miles an hour. Suddenly the cable broke and off you go. You would be at extra-orbital speed immediately. Incidentally that is one concept being looked at to raise payloads in to orbit. A giant space station with an arm that comes almost to the surface can then pick up loads and toss them into space. Author C. Clark wrote about it a few times.
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that was my whole question...about the rotation of the Earth...but then I saw they would put it near the Equator...but in the ocean..makes sense..but I don't get the ocean part.....nor do i get the gravitational pull on the part that is in space in relation to the part that is bolted to the ground....wouldn't it rip it apart? And what about the speed of the elevator...cuz once it hits space...won't it go like super fast since there is less resistance...and stuff?

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