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Voter Fraud Tips from the Moran camp - October 24, 2012, 03:03 PM

@ProjectVeritas_ : Jim Moran's (D-Va.) Field Director Conspires to Commit Voter Fraud, Forge Docs - YouTube
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October 24, 2012, 10:29 PM

Wow, that reporter had to work really hard just to get Moran to say anything at all about what the reporter could do on his own.

The only thing I heard Moran actually suggest was that the reporter and his supposed buddies should work in the get out the vote project. Other than that all the ideas came from the reporter who sounded like a loose cannon. It sounded like Moran was trying to discourage the reporter without driving him away, or maybe setting him off.

If someone approached me talking like that reporter did I'd humor him and hope he didn't have a gun.


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October 24, 2012, 10:56 PM

Wow. Did you watch the video??

What a dirtbag. Makes you seriously question his Father's ethics.

In an interesting turn of events: Dems ask DOJ to investigate GOP firm for alleged voter fraud - The Hill's Ballot Box

Of course this receives no coverage on mainstream media.

Are you really suggesting that he was forced into this? He invites the guy outside to talk after the person doing the filming lays out his plans to commit voter fraud.

He then proceeds to lay out the guys requirements with the voter laws and what information he will need to supply (i.e. utility bills).

He suggests that "faking a utility bill would be easy enough". He does suggest to go use the get out the vote stuff (i.e. legal), however, he does suggest that he "talk to another guy about it".

"I'll think on it" when referring to getting him some names.

"or a name and an address...utility bill...so you would have to forge it" "But its gotta look good"

I will give him credit for trying to steer the guy to re-focus his effort on the Get out the Vote stuff, however, he lays out what the guys need and how he could forge it.

Hardly seems like his hands are clean.
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October 25, 2012, 07:52 AM

Yes I watched the whole thing. I was waiting for the part where he 'conspired'. What I saw and heard was a poor attempt at entrapment.

The reporter had to keep prompting Moran, making suggestions and soliciting information at which Moran hesitated and kept trying to turn the conversation elsewhere.
He kept asking for names of someone to do this with and Moran didn't give him any - when the reporter named someone Moran said you have to talk to him yourself.
The reporter asked repeatedly for ways to get this done making leading suggestions in half-sentences trying to get Moran to finish them - Moran made no suggestion but said the reporter could do it that way but that he should do GOTV instead.
Constantly talking about an over-riding fear that was driving him to do this the reporter sounded like a militia extremist but with a list instead of a gun.
Every few minutes Moran kept edging away from the reporter like he was trying to get away from him but the reporter kept following him around.

As to taking him outside - I would have too, to get him away from the staff I was responsible for while I tried to figure out if he was dangerous or just ordinary stupid.

I didn't see/hear Moran conspiring, I saw him trying to ease away from a nut. But I can see how that might not be as entertaining for you.


By the way - I think everyone in politics is a dirt bag. It's not like there are any statesmen anymore.


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I'm so glad I'm not blinded by a political affiliation.


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October 25, 2012, 08:02 AM

I'm a constitutional conservative. I have no affiliation and (I repeat) they're all dirt bags.

I'm also going to listen and pay attention without prejudice and make an assessment as a reasonable and prudent adult.

I know it's not as much fun as flaming but a big chunk of what got us to this point is sheeple still acting like their on the 3rd grade playground.

Yesterday I was talking to someone that told me "Obama's denying the vote to military personnel". I checked it out when I got home and it's total crap but almost everyone where he lives is convinced it's true. Two minutes on the internet would disprove it but they don't look cause they think they already know.

That's the sort of thing that makes me think there's already no way to stop the slow slide into total crap.


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I know what it is but I have know idea what you might believe it means.

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Ahh, I understand your confusion now. I said constitutional conservative, not Constitutional Conservative. I've been one for decades since before those lunatics started throwing around language they didn't understand.


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October 25, 2012, 08:51 AM

What you're missing is...the conversation with Moran should have been very simple.

Dude, we don't partake in, nor promote voter fraud...Good Luck


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October 25, 2012, 10:28 AM

hokie - I get it. I didn't just "watch the whole thing" I also went to multiple sources on this incident.

I also understand what "avoiding even the appearance of impropriety" entails. And yes, again, if they're in politics they're a dirt bag otherwise they would have a real job.

I'm just saying I think the reactions I'm reading/seeing/hearing indicate a determination to find a mountain when there's only a molehill. Not particularly reasonable, responsible and/or adult, just more entertaining.


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Yes I watched the whole thing. I was waiting for the part where he 'conspired'. What I saw and heard was a poor attempt at entrapment.

The reporter had to keep prompting Moran, making suggestions and soliciting information at which Moran hesitated and kept trying to turn the conversation elsewhere.
He kept asking for names of someone to do this with and Moran didn't give him any - when the reporter named someone Moran said you have to talk to him yourself.
The reporter asked repeatedly for ways to get this done making leading suggestions in half-sentences trying to get Moran to finish them - Moran made no suggestion but said the reporter could do it that way but that he should do GOTV instead.
Constantly talking about an over-riding fear that was driving him to do this the reporter sounded like a militia extremist but with a list instead of a gun.
Every few minutes Moran kept edging away from the reporter like he was trying to get away from him but the reporter kept following him around.

As to taking him outside - I would have too, to get him away from the staff I was responsible for while I tried to figure out if he was dangerous or just ordinary stupid.

I didn't see/hear Moran conspiring, I saw him trying to ease away from a nut. But I can see how that might not be as entertaining for you.


By the way - I think everyone in politics is a dirt bag. It's not like there are any statesmen anymore.
Watch the video again.

I broke it down pretty good for you above. The cliff notes should give you a good enough picture.

Do I think he was hand holding the guy to get the stuff done...no. Recommending that he forge documents and how to skirt the law is not exactly entrapment though.

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What you're missing is...the conversation with Moran should have been very simple.

Dude, we don't partake in, nor promote voter fraud...Good Luck
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