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What would get you into an advanced Rider Course? - March 2, 2015, 09:10 AM

What would get you to take an advanced Rider Training class (Total Control, Police Riding Course, On street mountain riding etc)?

The state is looking into incentives to get riders into advanced training. Recent studies have shown that people having taken a BRC in Virginia are incredibly under represented in Rider crashes and fatalities. The goal is to extend that to current riders through the training available in advanced courses.

I've polled the forum before and the biggest hurdles to get anyone into an advanced Rider Training seem to be:

1.) Cost
2.) "Don't need it"
3.) Time

I'm throwing out a random statistic but I wouldn't be surprised if 98% of people taking the BRC are doing it for the license waiver. Quite honestly, that's why the waiver was created - as a carrot to get people into the class.

With that in mind- What carrot would get you into an advanced Rider Training class?


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An assurance that my money would be well spent could get me into a rider course. I didn't get enough out of the MSF course, IMO. It was too much talking and watching, not enough doing.
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I am actually wanting to get into one for the fun of it actually. Just to better myself. No real reason for me not to. And I took the BRC for the fun of it as well as my insurance takes not one dime off for me having taken it.


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An assurance that my money would be well spent could get me into a rider course. I didn't get enough out of the MSF course, IMO. It was too much talking and watching, not enough doing.
Agreed. The state actually made a conscious decision to go with Lee Parks as it's recommended advanced parking lot course as the MSF MSRC/ARC was too much talk and not enough riding.

However, with both the Lee Parks Total Control and the Motorcycle Riding Concepts Advanced Course there is plenty of riding to be had.


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March 2, 2015, 09:34 AM

My wife had the same complaint about the MSF course. She felt rushed through the activities and did not have enough time on the bike to feel comfortable with each exercise before being pushed along to the next one. I think there are a number of people out there who would pay decent money just for some extra coaching and time with a rented bike in a parking lot.


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You're looking for the individual courses offered by Motorcycle Riding Concepts. (Welcome to Motorcycle Riding Concepts)

Taught at all levels from beginner to advanced.

Not enough time is definitely one of the downsides to group classes as it doesn't match everyone's pace. I ran into a similar problem with my sisters when I put them into a ski class. They kept having to wait on a super slow, scared student and barely got any trips down the mountain.


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The MSF in PA is free (to PA residents), and successful completion of the course gets you your M endorsement automatically.

As you can imagine the course sections book up within minutes of the registration opening.


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The MSF in PA is free (to PA residents), and successful completion of the course gets you your M endorsement automatically.
Virginia hands you a temporary M endorsement when you successfully pass the class. You could legal ride away from the parking lot!

However, our taxes on motorcyclists are not as high as PA and thus we cannot make the classes free.

Would you be willing to pay an extra $2 when you renew your license to subsidize at least part of an advance course?


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Thanks for the info. I guess it all depends on the goals people have going into it. My wife passed, rode for a few years here and there, and then got out of riding. Just never felt comfortable enough when people were weaving though traffic and not giving her the space she wanted.

I imagine an advanced course would need to cater to specific skills people wanted to learn to make them feel more confident on the road (panic stopping drills, tight low speed turns, traffic management, etc.).


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I imagine an advanced course would need to cater to specific skills people wanted to learn to make them feel more confident on the road (panic stopping drills, tight low speed turns, traffic management, etc.).
I think the best part of an advanced class is you can pick your flavor.
  • Practice basic skills and knock the rust off - BRC 2 or skills refresh options
  • Want to get feedback on your riding on the road - Street Rider Course or Stayin Safe
  • Want to be able to outcorner most riders? - Total Control or Track Day
  • Want to have ultimate control of your motorcycle? - Police Style riding
  • Need individualized attention? - Private classes


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However, our taxes on motorcyclists are not as high as PA
can you expand on that?

Registration was $18/yr & there is no PPT in PA.


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can you expand on that?

Registration was $18/yr & there is no PPT in PA.
In Va you have to pay $2 per year for your motorcycle license. In Pa it's $5 per year.

Both states also receive a portion of your taxes and licensing fees for their programs but the above represents the largest portion of funding for both programs.


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Idea - knock points off or give positive safe driving points for taking approved classes? Minimal taxpayer impact and it might positively influence those that are causing the statistics you are worried about to improve their skills/change their bad habits.


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March 2, 2015, 10:05 AM

I'll add that one to the list.

Just for the record. My thought was any rider who takes the BRC and two advanced courses can apply for a special plate that would allow them to lane split. You'd have to retake a course every 5 years to maintain the plate.

No one at the DMV is on board with that option


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In Va you have to pay $2 per year for your motorcycle license. In Pa it's $5 per year.

Both states also receive a portion of your taxes and licensing fees for their programs but the above represents the largest portion of funding for both programs.

Considering I never paid attention to the extra $2 or $5 I paid. Yes I'd be willign to pay $2 more.


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