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Wow I've never felt this way before. - August 29, 2007, 11:54 AM

There is actually a presidential candidate whom i agree with almost 100%. His name is Ron Paul, this is a small video about him. I'm not here to argue politics just to share my views. For the first time since I can remember I feel like I really am rooting for one guy over the next. He's not the same as the rest of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_HuFtP8w8

If you want to learn more google or youtube Ron Paul.

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August 29, 2007, 12:00 PM

I didn't realize he was running as a Republican.

Reading up on him - I don't think he has a chance in hell, too conservative for a country turning back to the left. Personally, I disagree with about 60% of his positions.

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FOR-AGAINST -OTHER POSITIONS AND ACTIONS -
  • Paul opposes illegal immigration, birthright citizenship and amnesty. Paul wants to reduce legal immigration and voted "yes" on the Secure Fence Act of 2006.
  • Paul is pro-life, but, consistent with his opposition to federal power,
  • he is in favor of allowing each state to decide whether to allow or prohibit abortion, instead of the federal government. He introduced The Sanctity of Life Act of 2005, a bill that would have both defined human life to begin at conception, and removed jurisdiction over abortion prohibitions from the federal courts.[101] Defining embryos and fetuses as persons would cause abortion to be treated as murder and outlaw stem cell research and some contraception and fertility treatments.[102][103] Paul says that the Roe v. Wade decision was unconstitutional, and should be overturned, because the Federal government is not authorized to decide such controversies.[104]
  • Also in 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which, if made law, would forbid federal courts (including the Supreme Court) from hearing cases on subjects such as the display of religious text and imagery on government property, abortion, sexual practices, and same-sex marriage, would make federal court decisions on those subjects non-binding as precedent in state courts, and would forbid federal courts from spending any money to enforce their judgments.[105]


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August 29, 2007, 12:01 PM

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I didn't realize he was running as a Republican.
Ya thats true but when you think about it he's more republican than any of the other GOP candidates.
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August 29, 2007, 12:05 PM

that was an interesting video- thanks for sharing it.


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August 29, 2007, 12:18 PM

vote for him..he will kick me out


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August 29, 2007, 12:20 PM

Rupaul for prez.


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August 29, 2007, 12:22 PM

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Rupaul for prez.


He'd be both president AND first lady.


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Things I think he has wrong, just for discussion, I don't mean to piss in your cheerios - I'd like to hear what other people think.

Voluntary School Prayer - it already exists - it just isn't conducted on school time or in an institutionalized manner. Nothing stops you and your friends from getting together before or after class and praying.

Free Market Healthcare - obviously he's one of the few people who actually believe this system is working well. I believe in a certain level of coverage for everyone (ie - national healthcare), with the ability to buy premium service. Healthcare ought to be assured to everyone in the same manner that one is assured the fire department or police will come. IMO, its utilitarian nature ought to make it a public service.

I have nothing against NAFTA or WTO.

What does he plan on replacing the income tax with?

I favor NATO and the UN as mechanisms to moderate the actions of nations - if we want it to apply to others, we should abide by it as well.

Against funding same-sex adoption? But for funding hetero adoption? No, fund ADOPTION, or don't fund ADOPTION.

Removing federal oversight of education would result in an even larger disparity in education across this country - where a place like Wyoming might view education in lesser regard than a place like Connecticuit. The rural - suburban gap would grow IMO.

Who doesn't oppose ILLEGAL imigration? He's too nativist for my taste.

He's pro-life - but qualifies it by saying states should decide. That's too wishy washy for me. It's murder everywhere, or its not. Women have rights to control over their bodies, or they don't. His position would lead to it being illegal to go to the next state over to have an abortion - or by not doing so, be a de facto pro-choice, with added inconvenience. I'm also very high on stem cell research - which he would limit or oppose.

The "We The People Act" is a terrible peice of legistlation IMO - and is an attack on the first amendment among other things.


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He might get my vote
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Things I think he has wrong, just for discussion, I don't mean to piss in your cheerios - I'd like to hear what other people think.

Voluntary School Prayer - it already exists - it just isn't conducted on school time or in an institutionalized manner. Nothing stops you and your friends from getting together before or after class and praying.

Free Market Healthcare - obviously he's one of the few people who actually believe this system is working well. I believe in a certain level of coverage for everyone (ie - national healthcare), with the ability to buy premium service. Healthcare ought to be assured to everyone in the same manner that one is assured the fire department or police will come. IMO, its utilitarian nature ought to make it a public service.

I have nothing against NAFTA or WTO.

What does he plan on replacing the income tax with?

I favor NATO and the UN as mechanisms to moderate the actions of nations - if we want it to apply to others, we should abide by it as well.

Against funding same-sex adoption? But for funding hetero adoption? No, fund ADOPTION, or don't fund ADOPTION.

Removing federal oversight of education would result in an even larger disparity in education across this country - where a place like Wyoming might view education in lesser regard than a place like Connecticuit. The rural - suburban gap would grow IMO.

Who doesn't oppose ILLEGAL imigration? He's too nativist for my taste.

He's pro-life - but qualifies it by saying states should decide. That's too wishy washy for me. It's murder everywhere, or its not. Women have rights to control over their bodies, or they don't. His position would lead to it being illegal to go to the next state over to have an abortion - or by not doing so, be a de facto pro-choice, with added inconvenience. I'm also very high on stem cell research - which he would limit or oppose.

The "We The People Act" is a terrible peice of legistlation IMO - and is an attack on the first amendment among other things.
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August 29, 2007, 12:40 PM

School Prayer- He is saying the same thing you are, no laws needed.

Health Care - I agree with you, we are a rich enough nation that we should easily be able to afford free healthcare for everyone. Ron Paul does too, he wants to cut spending elsewhere so we have extra money for education and health care. It is perfectly reasonable for a free market system to exist with full coverage for everyone.

All this stuff is in the video? Did you watch it?
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Also hate to imagine the potential intern scandals.


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Free Market Healthcare - obviously he's one of the few people who actually believe this system is working well. I believe in a certain level of coverage for everyone (ie - national healthcare), with the ability to buy premium service. Healthcare ought to be assured to everyone in the same manner that one is assured the fire department or police will come. IMO, its utilitarian nature ought to make it a public service.
Government can't maintain a bridge but you want to entrust it with your healthcare?

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I have nothing against NAFTA or WTO.
One is sending jobs out of the country, the other is bankrupting developing nations (and both are using our tax dollars to do it)

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I favor NATO and the UN as mechanisms to moderate the actions of nations - if we want it to apply to others, we should abide by it as well.
NATO is a defense organization. When was the last time the UN productively did anything? It won't even acknowledge Taiwan as a nation. And most if its activities in the last two decades were something we started and then it went "woah woah put us in charge!"

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Removing federal oversight of education would result in an even larger disparity in education across this country - where a place like Wyoming might view education in lesser regard than a place like Connecticuit. The rural - suburban gap would grow IMO.
How condescending of you to imply that Wyoming citizens can't govern themselves and thus you must do it for them.

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[SIZE=2]He's pro-life - but qualifies it by saying states should decide. That's too wishy washy for me.
Yea, uh, buddy, he's a conservative. Us real conservatives are pro states rights and state governments and give the bird to the federal government. Thusly, Ron Paul believes most things shouldn't be decided by the Fed to begin with, but that doesn't mean he has no beliefs of his own.

I can't watch the video at work so I can't comment on anything inside of it.
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He wouldn't replace the IRS It's junk. He'd also get rid of the Federal Reserve and go back to the gold standard.
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